No more Avalon - Merry Christmas to me

I wish you many happy miles and years, Art. Will you be reporting your experiences in a Honda newsgroup?

Brent

UGH!!!!!! Honda, get the FUCK out of all Toyota newgroups. And take your naive, ignorant politics with you.

Apparently there are 2 Honda groups. I haven't looked at either yet. Just for the record, we considered the Sienna too. Basically it was a toss up and considering the rattles and other issues in my Avalon we went with the Honda. What is interesting is how much minivans have improved. Mileage on the Honda Touring is 20/28 EPA which is about the same as my 2001 Avalon. The price wasn't too different either. My wife loves the power doors and tailgate. And unlike the Avalon, the dashboard and everything else was installed straight.

Oh well! Art, I wish you well. Matter of fact, you bring to mind ...

"Everyone brings happiness to this forum. Some when they arrive and some when they leave"

-Philip

Praise Allah.

Hmmm looks like some Toyota buyers are discovering the Toyota make bad cars too. Seems there an awful lot of Toyotas showing up on the used car lots of many brand 'X' dealers. ;)

mike hunt

The dealer is a mega dealer and owns a Toyota dealership. My Avalon will probably end up there.

By the way, I tried to use KBB and Edmunds to estimate trade-in value. What a waste. They differ by 2 grand. I checked my 300M pricing too. They vary by thousands on that car too.

My theory on determining used car values is to take the vehicle to CarMax (if you have one near-by) and let them quote you a price. They know what their cost for buying a similar car will be. I figure you add a few hundred to their quote to determine your real trade in value (not the inflated feel good number the dealers give you).

Regards,

Ed White

Seems like there are a lot of Toyotas showing up everywhere. But that makes sense, as more Toyotas passenger cars (not trucks) are sold in the US than any other brand.

Merritt

I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any model year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars than the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used lots than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).

The question remains if Toyotas are superior as some claim, why are their owners buying other brands and not buying another Toyota? ;)

mike hunt

Any other brand yes, however GM and Ford sell far more cars than Toyota under their various brand names. It is like Ford saying their trucks are number one but GM actually sells more trucks then Ford, but not under one brand name. One must really listen closely to Toyotas press releases they have a way of using the Language to confuse, like the claim their vehicles are made in America, when they are merely assembled in the US of mostly imported parts. Notice when they refer to sales they never say Toyota Motors, only Toyota so their total sales of cars, or trucks, or both are not compared to GM and FMC ;)

mike hunt

The best place to find the most accurate prices at which vehicles are actually selling, in the retail market, is nadagudes.com

mike hunt

The question you need to answer is WHO is buying those USED Toyotas off your lots? LOL Another question is what are all the Toyota dealers doing with all the FORDS they take in trade?

My Dodge Caravan was only worth $800 to the Toyota dealer who by the way also has a Dodge dealership. I got $3500 for it in a private sale, which I thought was still rock bottom for the shape it was in. I scanned the want ads for used Caravans and there were a ton of em. No wonder, they don't command much on the used market. Everybody gets rid of them before the warranty runs out, LOL. Fords are the same.

Well, then explain that origin sticler I was describing in another post on a Japanese built (Final assy Aichi, Japan) Camry that was 75% US parts...

Hmmmm....wasn't Lia, was it?

Easy they are not built in Japan of 75% American parts. Us a little logic here. What makes you believe Toyota would buy more expense American parts, even if they were made by other Japanese owned companies in the US, to ship them to Japan to assemble a car, with a 'J' as the first digit of the VIN, for shipment to the US? Yet on the other hand assemble the same car in the US of mostly imported parts, with a '5' as the first number of the VIN indicating for all to see that it is only assembled in the US of mostly imported parts? Would not logic dictate that the car assembled in Japan would have the parts made in China and the car assembled in the US would use the American parts, rather than ship all of the parts both ways across the sea?

mike hunt

glad you got rid of it. tried of you complaining about that avalon for the last 5 years. no trunk light on dash, all kind of problems with the dash. the list goes on and on.