Apparently there are 2 Honda groups. I haven't looked at either yet. Just
for the record, we considered the Sienna too. Basically it was a toss up
and considering the rattles and other issues in my Avalon we went with the
Honda. What is interesting is how much minivans have improved. Mileage on
the Honda Touring is 20/28 EPA which is about the same as my 2001 Avalon.
The price wasn't too different either. My wife loves the power doors and
tailgate. And unlike the Avalon, the dashboard and everything else was
The dealer is a mega dealer and owns a Toyota dealership. My Avalon will
probably end up there.
By the way, I tried to use KBB and Edmunds to estimate trade-in value. What
a waste. They differ by 2 grand. I checked my 300M pricing too. They vary
by thousands on that car too.
My theory on determining used car values is to take the vehicle to CarMax
(if you have one near-by) and let them quote you a price. They know what
their cost for buying a similar car will be. I figure you add a few hundred
to their quote to determine your real trade in value (not the inflated feel
good number the dealers give you).
Thanks for the suggestion Mike. I checked nadaguides.com (I fixed your
spelling error) and their price for the 2001 Avalon was ridiculously high.
According to them, a dealer could sell my car at retail with 21k miles on it
for over $20k. I realize that it is very low mileage but only a complete
moron would pay $20k for a 2001 Avalon XLS no matter what the condition or
mileage. The trade-in value was similarly out of wack. KBB and Edmunds
were both lower and more realistic.
Then there must be a lot of morons out there. NADA Used Car Guide lists are
compiled weekly, from dealership of all sizes of all brands. The results
are published monthly, in several districts, around the country of the
actually retail and wholesale prices at which the vehicles were sold. ;)
I guess it depends on where you are. In my area, used Toyotas of any model
year on private lots are rare. Even though Toyota may sell more cars than
the big 3, I still see a hell of a lot more big 3 cars on private used lots
than Toyotas (and Hondas for that matter).
My Dodge Caravan was only worth $800 to the Toyota dealer who by the way
also has a Dodge dealership. I got $3500 for it in a private sale,
which I thought was still rock bottom for the shape it was in. I
scanned the want ads for used Caravans and there were a ton of em. No
wonder, they don't command much on the used market. Everybody gets rid
of them before the warranty runs out, LOL. Fords are the same.
Caravans are like Mexicans. They make lots of 'em and they'll make more!
It's like the days when JB Hunt used to buy only International cabovers. JB
bought them because they were the cheapest deal. But with the fleet
expanding, the USED market became flooded with the "turn-ins." This came to
mean International had to lower their guarnateed turn-in value. Hunt saw
the writing on the wall and started buying conventional tractors from
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