The Toyonda Pious and Hindsight?? Excessive smug emissions from hybrids?
C'mon people. Hilarious.
Painted a perfect picture of these screwheads that come into the dealer
with their "package 2 Super White Prius with cargo net and Nav that I
waited two months to get" vehicles. Browsing the New York Times on their
laptops through horn-rimmed glasses waiting in the customer lounge while
they sip $10 coffee drinks and wear turtlenecks. Wierdos.
No problem with environmentalists at all. You wanna help the planet, kudos
to you. What bugs me are these weenies that buy hybrids for no other
reason than to be seen in a hybrid, then throw in your face how socially
responsible they are every chance they get.
Or the idiots here that buy environmental plates for their Hummer. Why the
heck does a Hummer have CAR plates on it, anyway? Anything with a gross
weight that high ought to be registered by Gross Vehicle Weight, i.e. a
But then again, something funny is going on here in Illinois. I see a lot
of trucks registered with NOT truck tags. NOT RV tags, but with out and out
PASSENGER tags, i.e. Car tags. I can remember when VANS in Illinois always
had truck tags, now most of them have car tags.
Charles of Schaumburg, Illinois
They're called a back seat and rear seat belts, which legally make
many light trucks and vans nothing more than heavy cars.
I had a 1978 Lincoln that weighed 6000 pounds, which is quite a bit
more than the typical 1/2 ton pickup or van.
No, I'm talking about regular pickup trucks with a bed in the back with CAR
tags. I've seen quite a few lately on the road. Car tags here in Illinois
have a different color and different numbering than truck tags. Vehicles
with a bed and liner in the back and only one row of seats are usually
called a pickup truck. I'm not just talking about Stupid Useless Vehicles.
Your Lincoln was not a car it was a land-yacht. Should have had to be
licensed as livery or something like that, as big as it was.
Hey I get damn tired of dodging people in their SUV's that don't want to
share the road with anything they don't want to see. I see way too many SUV
drivers up here with an attitude that they own the road and to hell with the
Corollas. They're so much safer, but by their driving they make the rest of
us less safe. There are a few people that do need and use SUV's but it's
also become a 'status symbol'. Much like the people that drive some of the
fast hot sports cars because they are a 'status symbol' and really don't
drive them well. . . . When people tell me that the SUV is the be
all/end all of vehicular existance, I start listening for the echos of the
land yacht owners of the early 70's telling me the same thing with the same
attitude. They were wrong then and these are wrong now as well. Not
everyone wants or needs an SUV, and unfortunately not everyone knows how to
drive one, either, judging by some of the accidents I see. I don't want an
SUV. I have no use for that much vehicle. Ray O, for instance, needs one
and uses it quite a bit. But I've seen him drive, too. Not a problem.
It's the jerks that cut 3 lanes with no signals, right across your nosecone,
or the goof who sits in the left lane blocking traffic at rush hour that's
One thing that makes me LIVID is the attitude that since I've achieved a
certain level of income, I should be driving an SUV or a BMW, that to be
driving a Corolla is somehow un-American. It's really thick here in the
'burbs. That since I'm not driving something like that, I must be lying
about what I'm doing and how much I make. I've been hearing comments like
that since my very first job back in 1977. Being a wastrel and spendthrift
used to be un-American, but now days, being thrifty is somehow wrong.
Usually I find out it's some goofus liberal feeding me this line of bull,
too, which keeps proving my point that we ought to change the medication
we've got them on, because what they're on now obviously isn't working.
Charles of Schaumburg.
Agreed on most of what you said: even during brief (3-4 weeks at
a time) visits to the US, particularly the delights of LA roads,
I marvel at some of the daft shenanigans. But I think you will
find not a few goofus conservatives are at it too -- frantically
guarding what they regard as the American Way Of Life (the high
consumption way), while the rest of us slowly develop the arts
and sciences of conserving what it is that makes a decent way of
life possible. Conservation isn't about living miserable lives,
just not wasting. And it has supporters in all political camps.
I've made conservation a hobby. My wife backs me up 100%. Yesterday I
noticed our on-demand K1 H2O heater didn't turn on at all while everyone
took their showers. The heater is a miser on it's own merit but the secret
to our extremely low fuel usage is the solar collectors. I got ribbed a lot
when they were installed 25 years ago, the negativity amounted to I could
have put the money in the bank and paid for the fuel from the interest (at
the time 5%). Well, we all know that type of interest isn't around anymore.
The K1 water heater cost $2000 and a typical hot water heater cost about
10%-15% of that back then but with all the new regulations a typical hot
water heater runs installed for about $1100 and you still have to keep your
fingers crossed the tank won't leak (or burst).
I love my front load washer. I REALLY love my chlorine generator for my
pool. Have you seen the cost of chlorine lately? It jumped from $1.59 last
year to $2.59 a pound this year. I designed and built my own solar collector
for the pool about 7 or 8 years ago using 3/4 inch copper and safety glass
but had to disconnect it because it was too difficult to control total
chlorine, and the water got too hot; had to run the filter at night just to
cool the pool. I live in Massachusetts, who would of thought!!
Not only is conservation fun for me, staying the speed limit is a fun
challenge. I'd rather put up with a tail gator than to have to be on the
constant look out for a cop ahead. I'm not against the police or any
government entity I just don't want any interaction with them. Thanks for
reading this. It took my mind off the real estate tax bill I just got in the
My complaint is more the frequency than the amount. Some old folks
complained bi-annual payments were difficult for them, so the town said
"sure, we'll send out the bills four times a year". And as you probably
guess, it was easier for the town to raise the rates almost unnoticed
because the statements were one/half less than before.
I do get a tax break on the solar.
Check the Illinois Vehicle Code statutes to be sure - and remember
the Official Motto of Chicago, "Vote early and often." ;-) Some big
companies, unions or trade association just might have greased the
right palms in the statehouse and gotten an exemption through. That,
or word got around that they can sign the 'non-commercial use
affidavit' with their fingers crossed and it doesn't count.
If you ever see a SUV Van or Pickup with [passenger car tags on it
in real commercial service and you know it's against the law, write
down the license, take pictures if you can to show the company signs
plastered on the side (and the stacks of Stuff in the back and the
ladders on the rack) and call your local DMV office - they want to
(And the pictures are to shut up the 'Alligator Tears' complaints
when they guy cleans out the truck and removes the magnetic signs
before driving to the meeting, feigning total innocence.)
In California you can get passenger car tags on a pickup truck or
cargo van - even a Class 7 Semi Tractor if you tow a large 5th wheel
camping trailer - that would normally register commercial. But you
have to have a permanent shell or hard tonneau cover on the back of a
pickup, and sign an affidavit that this vehicle will never be used to
carry cargo or passengers for hire, or to be used for any commercial
purposes. Big fine if they catch you cheating, plus the difference in
the back registration fees.
And there's even a bit of an advantage to having commercial plates -
you get to park in that "15 Minute Loading Zone" - you're working...
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
The Illinois Vehicle Code, Chapter 95 1/4 of the Illinois Revised Statues
defines a pickup truck as a Second Division vehicle. Period. If it was for
non-comm use, it would get RV tags, not passenger tags here. Illinois
doesn't have a 'non-comm' exemption form like Ontario and California. That's
the way the law has worked since 1969. And the demarcation between First
and Second Division was pretty well fixed in July 1920, and hasn't changed
much since then, except vans are cars now.
Charles of Schaumburg.
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