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You need to drive an American car. Most handle much better than Toyota's. Don't take my word for it. Read Consumer Reports or the auto rags.

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You crack me up Philip. If I remember correctly, you (and not the dealer) ended up disassembling your dashboard to get rid of the rattles and clicks. Sorry but the rest of us are not willing to put up with that crap. Why you keep defending Toyota is beyond me. They used to be great cars. Unfortunately the premium price no longer comes with premium quality.

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In news:wxU_b.20593$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, news.east.earthlink.net being of bellicose mind posted:

I'd wipe my bottom with Consumper Reports were it not for the bonded paper.

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I never complained to my dealer (meaning repeat visits for rattle complaints). I went in once ... had a pow-wow with the senior service writer who ... put me with the "interior specialist" who ... examined my car on the spot. When I made it clear I was intent on doing SERIOUS creak/rattle repair, he provided me with the adhesive backed felt to do the job to MY satisfaction. I don't whine. I know from years of experience in auto repair what a dealer can spend/waste time on. What I wanted (admittedly) was beyond a reasonable expenditure of time for them and ... we all knew that from the beginning.

What you don't appreciate is that economy cars (all brands) are subject now more than ever to "Value Engineering." That being the case, it's better to have plastic rattles that can be fixed ('cuz the car goes together like a Lego toy) than soft metallurgy throughout the drive line. Having been thru the NUMMI plant tour where the car was made only a couple of months earlier debased most of the fears I had about tearing into the interior.

Whether or not you think you're getting less value with Toyota now than for a Neon or some other competitor is your assessment. My ownership criteria are likely different than yours. :-)

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We have new Dodge Stratus at work that I drive. Yes it does handle better than the Camry. However, I doubt it will hold up. I bought a new Dodge in

1979 and it was POS.
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And Don;t forget the printing ink.................makes for nasty skid marks I'd bet.

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It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News

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Pretty sure my 2001 Solara was made in N. America and it pulls so bad I hate to drive it. Only 21k miles on it because it just sits in the garage. Nobody wants to drive it.

The P.O.S had more problems on delivery than my '94 Camry has had in 160k miles. Toyota couldn't or wouldn't fix most of them. Tried different dealers. Some are nicer than others but all are equally unresposive to warrantee problems.

This is not a reputable company. Never again!

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Welcome to the club. For a while I thought only Avalon owners were eligible.

hate to drive it. Only 21k miles on it because it just sits in the garage. Nobody wants to drive it.

miles. Toyota couldn't or wouldn't fix most of them. Tried different dealers. Some are nicer than others but all are equally unresposive to warrantee problems.

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I'm ready to replace my 99 Altima: Camry was winning out over Accord. After this thread Camry is pretty much at the bottom or the list, below Nissan, Mazda, or potentially an "American" car.

Do ALL new Camrys pull? Does anyone here own a 2004 Camry that doesn't pull? Can the TSB correct or not?

I'm starting to think another Altima might do the trick. Although I really want a change, I'd rather have a car that does just about every thing well, rather than a car that does most things very well, but has a major glaring defect!

Pete

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@localhost.talkaboutautos.com, Timbo being of bellicose mind posted:

There are not one but TWO Technical Service Bulletins on the matter. Seems the coil springs exert a twisting force on the strut if not correctly positioned (there's some kind of cup repositioning involved) which in turn makes the some individual cars want to wander left. It's entirely correctable.

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In news: snipped-for-privacy@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net, P T being of bellicose mind posted:

If all it takes is reading one gripe to shuffle your deck then you are not seriously considering ANY model car.

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Pete, If you go to a new Altima, it will be a HUGE change from the 99.

( and listen, but don't put much stock in ol' Philips crap. He doesn't know how to be helpful. He has taken many years of schooling in treating people like crap. I figure he's got internet-itis . )

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I brought my 2004 Camry in for service today regarding TSB "ST002-04" as was mentioned on this message board. So thanks to those that mentioned this TSB. The information highway works and that's good.

The car was at the dealers all day today and they will finish the work tomorrow with a wheel alignment.

But last night before bringing in the car for service I decided to check the air pressure in the tires, 3 tires were 3 lbs over & 1 tire was 6 lbs over, it is indicated on the driver side door jamb that tire pressure should be set at 29 lbs for all tires.

So this morning just before bringing the car in for service the car had less of a tendency to drift toward the left.

The dealer gave me a loan a car until my car service is completed and it's a $41,000+, 2004 GMC SUV. Jeez, I must have overpaid dearly for the Camry and that's why they're so nice to me. (-_-)

I will post the results of the service repair.

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I had the TSB service performed on my 03 Camry and it is about 95% better than what it was. I think that it is about as good as it will get.

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Not all pull and most people like their Camry's. The problem is that Toyota dealers are pretty bad (don't believe me, check Consumer Reports) and if you have a problem car getting it resolved may be difficult. And Toyota is selling so many cars right now, for whatever reason, they really don't have to pay attention to a complaining customer. And in case Philip responds with "they are selling so many cars because the cars are so good" then he can please explain the price of Enron stock before it crashed.

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Download Consumer Action Hand book from

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"RECALLS If your car?s problem is a safety hazard, check whether your vehicle has been recalled by the manufacturer. Click on Recalls at

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or call the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration at 1-800-424-9393. Hazards that aren?t listed should be reported to NHTSA. Use the agency?s toll-free Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 or visit the agency?s web page for details on other reporting options: the Internet, fax and mail. There is no set number of reports needed before the agency will look into a problem. If a safety-related manufacturing defect exists, the maker must fix it at no cost to you - even if your warranty has expired. The company may also be asked to conduct a product recall. Follow-up by contacting the manufacturer?s zone representative or the dealer?s service department listed on page 80."

"AUTO REPAIR Whenever you take a vehicle to the shop: ? Choose a reliable repair shop recommended by family, friends or an independent consumer rating organization. Check out the repair shop?s complaint record with your state or local consumer protection office or Better Business Bureau (p. 139). ? Describe the symptoms. Don?t try to diagnose the problem. ? Get more than one estimate in writing. ? Make it clear that work cannot begin until you have authorized it. Don?t authorize work without a written estimate. If the problem can?t be diagnosed on the spot, insist that the shop contact you for authorization once the trouble has been found. ? Don?t sign a blank repair order. Make sure the order reflects what you want done before you sign it. ? Follow the warranty instructions if a repair is covered under warranty. ? Ask the shop to keep the old parts for you. ? Get all repair warranties in writing. ? Keep copies of all paperwork. Some states, cities and counties have special laws that deal with auto repairs. For information on the laws in your state, contact your state or local consumer protection office (p. 84). If you?re having a problem with an auto repair company, use the Sample Complaint Letter on page 44."

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You can search TSBs at

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Toyota refuses to apply the Left Pull TSB to model years prior to 2003. I would like to have an alignment shop rotate the upper spring plates on my 2001 but I am not 100%sure that all the parts are identical and that the fix will work. Has anyone tried this on a 1999 - 2002 model?

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