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TOYOTA TRANSPONDER KEYS:

I recently ingested the following information at some cost and time, and thought some of you might find it of value. The saga started because I'm the kind of guy that likes to have lots of spare keys for my stuff.

Toyota mechanical locks (the tumbler part) can be locked/unlocked even if the key you are using does not have a transponder chip buried in the plastic handle. If you fear simply locking your key inside the card, you can have a flat plain brass TR47 key cut at the hardware store that will unlock the doors; it just won't let you start the engine.

The 1998 thru 2004 Toyota Theft Deterrent Systems use a "transponder reply chip" in the handle of the key that responds to an inquiry signal sent when the key is inserted into the ignition switch. Each key apparently has a random code burned into it, and the engine ECM (Engine Control Module) in the car can store up to 7 of these codes. The Toyota ECM's usually come with 1 or 2 key codes already programmed into them, and for $50-75 you can buy another key (up to the Mid-03's) that, by executing the correct programming sequence, will add the code for the new key. The ECM must have at least one pre-programmed key in order to work and program other keys. If you don't have even one key that works, you 1) may be able to have the dealer originate a new master key with his special dealer diagnostic equipment, or 2) junk your ECM and pay big $'s for a new one (have no idea if either, neither, or both of these options is actually correct). When I first saw the following programming sequences I thought this must be a big joke; I've seen the way many other transponder keys are programmed and none of them come close to this foolishness!

98-01 CAMRY's: The programming sequence for adding another key (Toyota key part number 89785-26020) to the Camry, according to the ILCO key company catalog, and a Toyota maintenance manual I have seen, is as follows: Simultaneously depress and release the brake and accelerator pedals 1 time (one instruction kind of hints that you should hold the pedals down while you insert the master key, the next step). Insert the master key in the ignition, but do not turn it . Within 15 seconds press & release the accelerator pedal 5 times. Then within 20 seconds press & release the brake pedal 6 times. Within 10 seconds remove the master key, and insert the new key. Within 10 seconds press & release the accelerator 1 time. The security light will stay off after 60 to 80 seconds indicating the re-programming was successful. Remove the new key, and depress & release the brake pedal 1 time.

02 TO EARLY-03 CAMRY's: The programming sequence for adding another key (Toyota key part number 89785-26020) to the Camry, according to the key company catalog is as follows: Make sure all windows and doors are closed, and insert the master key in the ignition. Cycle the ignition key ON/OFF 5 times and leave the key in the lock. Open/Close the driver side door 6 times. Remove the original key and insert the new duplicate key, BUT DO NOT TURN THE KEY ON. The theft light will stay off after 60 to 80 seconds indicating the re-programming was successful. Do not laugh while executing this sequence.

MID-03 TO 2004 CAMRY's: Currently there is no programming sequence (that I can find) that the customer can use. A new key is used (Toyota key part number 89785-60160) that has a small letter "o" stamped on the brass part of the key up near the handle. I'm told that only the dealer can program in a new transponder code into the ECM via the OBD (On Board Diagnostic) computer.

The ACE hardware here in Phoenix, and others, sell the non-"o" key for much less than $75, but you have to program the ECM in the car yourself. Camelback Toyota gouged me $150 to supply & program a key for my Mid-03 Camry. Larry Miller Toyota sells the key for $75 and programs it for free. Bell Road Toyota sells the key for $75, but I haven't found out if they charge for programming (I think they do). If the ECM is truly programmed through the OBD, then I think it is only a matter of time before somebody like Pep Boys or Autozone will do it too!

According to the ILCO catalog, all of the key numbers programmed into a 98 to Early-03 ECM (other than the number of the key you are using) can be deleted by using the following sequence: Simultaneously depress & release the brake and accelerator pedals 1 time. Insert a working key into the ignition but do not turn it. Within 15 seconds depress & release the accelerator pedal 6 times. Within 20 seconds depress & release the break pedal 7 times. The security light will flash indicating that all key numbers, other than the one being used, have been deleted from the ECM memory. Within 10 seconds remove the key from the ignition switch. This is now the only key that will work.

If any of you have more/better information of the subject, please speak up. Thanks in advance. Sparkey

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Sparkey
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Great post!!! I went throught the same thing, I bought two new keys and remotes for my 2003...you got it right. However, just a correction on this part:

"The ECM must have at least one pre-programmed key in order to work and program other keys. If you don't have even one key that works, you 1) may be able to have the dealer originate a new master key with his special dealer diagnostic equipment, or 2) junk your ECM and pay big $'s for a new one (have no idea if either, neither, or both of these options is actually correct).

When you purchase your car, they should give you a 5 digit number on your key...all you have to do when you need a new key made is to provide this # to the dealership and they'll cut you a new key. However, previously in the

2002 and earlier Camry's *I think*, what you wrote above is correct. I guess they realized changing your ECU for a new key was stupid....

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hlee

The key code will only get you a ket cut, no transponder program. Oh, yeah, you will need one "master: key to program another key, having only the grey one is no good. You can not program another key with the "sub key". There is a break, I think its 2001 or so, we can with the special equipment, crack the ECM code and make a key, prior was a new ECM.

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MDT Tech®

I just bought a new 2003 XLE. They're telling me there's a limit to the number of transponder keys I can have. Is that true? It doesn't make sense. Only one key at a time is in use, so how would the car know how many keys I have?

Ken

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Ken

The computer only has so many slots for learning key codes. You can have as many as you want, but only as many as the the computer can remember will actually work.

Ed

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C. E. White

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Sparkey

Same way it knows the "key". There is a limit of 8 I think. You can add a 9th, but the first will be kicked out of the system

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MDT Tech®

Today I was at the Dealer, and a local locksmith who pulled out a manual and showed it to me, tell me that only three keys can be made and active for the vehicle. So if I want more than the 2 masters and the one valet, I'm out of luck. WOW!

Ken

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Ken

Went back to Dealer Service today, and the Service Manager researched more thoroughly. I am allowed up to 7 keys. The price for 3 additional masters and the reprogramming of the onboard computer is $280. Seems a little high.

Ken

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Ken

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Sparkey

No little letter o's.

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Ken

Your In luck then. You can buy an aftermarket key from ACE hardware or anyone that sells them. Have the seller cut the bumps on the brass part just like your original, and program it yourself using the following (rather silly I think) procedure.

02 TO EARLY-03 CAMRY's: The programm>No little letter o's.
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Sparkey

And what would you say if a, lets say a "master diagnostic technician", sometimes called an MDT" curently employed for the last 15 years at a Toyota dealership told you that you can go more than that, would you believe him or the locksmith, not that I know anyone like that, just asking?

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MDT Tech®

So your saying the locksmith was wrong and all of us techs were right? ;-) We knew that already.

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MDT Tech®

Ken, it will vary from dealer to dealer, we do one transponder for .5, and .3 for everyone after that. Same goes for alarm remotes. We are cheap compared to others. 3 transponder keys programmed would be $86.90 at my store. Not sure the price of the keys, but if you brought in your own from a locksmith already cut, we'd do them, same price.

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MDT Tech®

A friend of mine bought a 2001 Toyota Highlander from a Chevrolet dealership and gave her two keys- 1 ignition and 1 pass key, (no remote) they said that was all the previous owner had given them.

She has already bought a blank ignition key from the locksmith and programmed it herself and got it on the second attempt. She then purchased 2 remote fobs on ebay. My question is does anybody have the programming instructions for the remote fob(s) so that they will work with her car?

Thanks for any advice I can give her. Der

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Derrick Mallard

This works:

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hlee

PROGRAMMING THE 2000 CAMRY KEY FOB:

The following information was posted on the web by someone else some time ago as the bizzare, but working, instructions for programming a

2000 Camry with a RS-3200 security system. Good luck, and let us know if it works for you.

  1. Make sure the ignition key is NOT inserted, the drivers door is open, all the other doors are closed, and all doors are unlocked.

  1. Insert & remove the key from the ignition twice (end with key out).
  2. Close & open the drivers door twice (end with the door open).
  3. Insert & remove the key from the ignition once (end with key out).
  4. Close & open drivers door twice (end with door open).
  5. Insert key in ignition, but do not turn it ON.
  6. Close drivers door.
  7. Turn key from LOCK to ON; then back to LOCK.
  8. Remove key
  9. The tail/marker lights should flash once, the system should "chirp", and the door lights should cycle once.
  10. If step 11 does not occur, some thing is wrong. Start over at step 1.
  11. Press & release the Lock and Unlock button on the remote simultaneously.
  12. Press and release only the Lock button on the remote.
  13. Tail/marker lights should flash once, the system should "chirp", and the door locks should cycle.
  14. Open the drivers door. And verify operation of the remote.

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Sparkey

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