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I bet you thought I meant an alter-culture pub where Bigjfig and Bendig dip their hands into each other's pant pockets.
No, this is an interesting piece of extra-stiffening (B and B
are really starting to get !excited! now) equipment "GM engineers added to (some) '82-'92 Chevrolet/Pontiacs"? 1LEs in particular, I understand, didn't show up 'til 1987, which makes the statement above even more suspicious.
The wonder bar is located down near the front sway bar area and is designed to tie the frame rails together for strength. Pictures: http://www.fbodymotorsports.com/inc/pdetail?v=1&pidu11 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemy09229868 Note: www.3rdgensolutions.com appears to be dead.
This item doesn't show up (specifically) in the usual 1LE component lists.
Seriously, what I want to know is the year range (and body types) this essential strengthener appeared in and its OEM part#.
If any learned reader has firsthand knowledge of additional (stock/original/factory f-body) chassis-strengthening extras..... please respond.
I'm NOT affiliated with ANY of the URLs listed above, SmiteMan
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Leave it to a chump like him to make references like that. Makes ya wonder what he does in his spare time...
I know the answer, but here's the news flash:
Go fuck yourself and find the answer on your own, because no one wants to hear from a waste of a load like you.
Thank goodness DNA is unique---the gene pool is polluted enough without idiots like you that should be taking the bus.
How do you like them apples? :)
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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my DNA pool, said, "Go fuck yourself "
Well, gee, FigBigj, you were quick to explode but short on explanation.
I'm sure enough of us would've liked to been enlightened and honestly, your followup wasn't terribly coherent.
Get over yourself. You can't be as egotistical to believe you're the only one possesing this info?
- Unrelated to the Wonder Bar discussion and beside your outburst, I hold no grudge against your progeny.
:), :), :), :), :), :), :), :), :), :), :), Smiteman
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Maybe he isn't the only one:
But he is the only one who posts here that can, and can answer it from the top of his head!
Why not try a nicer approach next time?
Or has the concept of: "Can you help me out please never been taught to you"?
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Smite Evil spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in

Funny...the only one I see being egotistical is you. You post a request for help, after slamming two people.
NOI
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Bigjfig wrote:

Kind of a shame to since you are the parts wiz.
Silly smiter just got smitten.
--
Martin
'01 Formula - MTI Air Box Lid, K&N Filter, Hurst-6,
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He posts an insult:
Then has the balls to expect a favor?
Newsflash to Smite: you pissed off the only guy who could help you off the top of his head! ASSWIT!
Refinish King
PS Engage brain before fingers next time! Atleast I argued with people who drive the enemy!

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Here's an Idea. Get a GM parts catalog and see what came on the cars. Ohh wait that would require more effort then you could muster.
Unlike your little slacker ass, us Pro's know how to research Factory installed, as well as dealer installed items.
Charles Rare Parts Specialist, Rare Parts Locator, & book owner.
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See Smite:
There goes two chances you pissed away!
Fool!
Refinish King

Factory
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into the wind......
Nah, the two B&B brothers will quickly be replaced by a computer database.
So will I. And it will certainly be more informative
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Smiteman
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Nah, the two B&B brothers will quickly be replaced by a computer database.
--Is that Billy and Bob, your two half cousins who are also your father??????
So will I.

---Well there's a newsflash, since you don't know your ass from a tie rod, and that's painfully obvious. A chimp on crack is more informative about F bodies than you could hope to be.
I'll bet you feel like a bug on the windshield just about now.
Suc Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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foolishly pissed

They have tried for years to replace people like Joe & My self with data bases (IE: Auto-Zone). Where Idiots like you can work, and be too stupid to use a paper catalog.
You aint going to get much help in this group as long as you act like a little bitch. Charles
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Charles Bendig wrote:

I think he works at the AutoZone that I went to last week to get a replacement alternator belt. I had the old belt with the number intact but the kid behind the counter said he had to have the year and make of the car. I told him that it was a 1967 Camaro but that it would not do him any good to look it up in his data base as it was not a stock engine. He was totally bewildered and did not have a clue as to what to do. I had to tell him to look up the belt number and cross reference it to what they had in stock.
Jerry
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Most of the people who work at any autoparts store don't know shit about shit. I had a VETERAN parts counter guy tell me that my alternator would not charge my battery, as this was NOT the function of the alternator. When I asked him what the function of the alternator was he said "To keep the voltage up and running around the system." I almost lost it, but I was getting my battery and alternator replaced for free, so I didn't go off on him. I am sure my face was about to turn purple. Some people just don't have the mechanical aptitude necessary for the job. OK, most of them.
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Mr. Floppy



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Jerry:
Rule #1: Do your own research and go to the parts store with the part #s and brand in hand. Don't trust the person to look up parts.
Floppy: Rebuild your own alternators---Delco ones are quite easy and they last longer when you do your own :).
"Hey buddy, I need a Gates belt # 7480. I need a Delco fuel pump # 41382. I need a Delco gas filter # GF481."
Now you're talking to most guys and they can relate because part #s make sense to them. Remember last week they were selling pizza at Dominos. LOL.
I always go into any establishment (including places like Sears) with my stock # in hand and likely have called ahead of time to make sure they have what I asked for.
I know the parts store owners where I go quite well, so they will order for me on a day's notice, pick it up at the warehouse and have it waiting for me on a Saturday with the rest of the parts I need. Works out great, prices are great and they are a master dealer of both Motorcraft (for family members who don't know any better and own Ford) and Delco (for those of us that know :) ),
Case in point is the snowblower belt for my old Sears snowblower is $15 plus tax and shipping from Sears. The SAME Gates PoweRated belt through my supplier is $7 and in stock all day :).
I always do the work and it assures I get less wrong/problem parts. Also, it lets me specify what brand I want, so they don't choose.
I don't want to buy a Delco #251-233 water pump for $10 more when it really is a reboxed TRW FP1433 that I can get all day in stock at the supplier.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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You should know 60% of parts counter guys at parts houses are failed mechanics. They may not be able to explained how to install a part or how it works. But a real parts guy will know his parts. He will know what fails often, what parts people complain about, and when a part doesn't look right.
I have always made a point of getting to know the people at the local parts houses. One of my old drinking buddies (a semi-decent mechanic, and one hell of a parts guy) Manages one of the major Jobber parts houses. If I need a part ordered on Saturday before closing, and there first thing on Monday, he does it for me. No need to put a deposit down. If I want it delivered, and im not at the shop when they shop up, I just pay my tab later that week.
Yet even at that, you occasionally run in to problems. Case and point, a 1969 Buick Electra 225. A Customer had one in about #3 Driver shape. Yet he wanted Front Disk Brakes on it. I got the Correct spindles used (67-69 Buick Full size, Excluding 1968 Rivera). Complete with disks,calipers, control arms for $100. They had been sitting for 20 years. I did my home work and got conflicting numbers on some things. One book stated only 3000 were made from 67-69 with disk brakes, another book said 3000 per year were made. So a bit rare any way to look at it.
I thought to my self, well someone should have a set of new rotors, or a set of tunable used units. I found some NOS rotors for $200 each, and that was it. I cross referenced the part numbers my self even and went to all the local parts houses and stores. All the rotors they gave me were A-body units. I even double checked my numbers, thru 4 different books.
Another item I couldn't locate was a set of brake pads for it. The clips were a standard item, but the pads were not. The caliper rebuild kits used to be a standard stock item, but not any more. Yet my local NAPA could special order them.
Some items no matter how well researched, and how many vendors you try are almost impossible to get. Charles BTW: after 3 months of searching I gave in and put 1969 Olds 98 spindles & disks on the car. I still lose a little sleep over it.
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Charles:
The turnover rate is probably every three years on the counter, on average.
Most times, you have kids behind the counter now. Perhaps kids doing it after school, maybe they own a rice rocket with some stickers and working in an auto parts store seems "cool" to them over working in a pizzeria or flipping burgers to make cash.
You can see most of them don't know shit. That is why I say, "Go to the back and pull this part #". Then I check what he brings out. I have seen them transpose numbers and bring out TF289 instead of TF298. That is why I check everything before leaving to avoid a double trip.
If I go to Sears, I tell the guy specifically what I want. "Do me a favor, punch this stock # in your computer and let me see if you have it". I look at what the computer says. Then I look for the item myself. I know the layout of the store well enough to find what I want.
All he has to do is ring it up and take off my discount coupon. I usually get a young girl in the Sears tool area and she's pretty sharp. Even the manager knows of me there and usually jumps in and does what needs to be done. That's one reason why I shop there.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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Charles:
Regarding your Sears question, my computer froze.
I have an OEM list of who makes what for Sears. Basically, the first three digits of the model # tell you (123-45678 as an example). 123 is the source code.
If the Sears model # starts with (must look on the unit, not in any sales literature, because those only use the short Sears item/stock #):
917 or 131 is American Yard Products (AYP) which is owned by Electrolux. www.poulan.com for help.
502 or 536 is Murray, 1-800-251-8007 or www.murrayinc.com
143 is Tecumseh for engines and transmissions.
500 is Briggs and Stratton for engines.
Once you know the true OEM, it's just a matter of going to www.sears.com and then "parts" on the left of the website and plugging in the model #.
Now that you know who the true OEM is, you also know what their part # is. Use the Sears website for research and then save money by taking that part # to a place dealing in that OEM. Walah, you save money and get the SAME part.
I have a ton of Sears items throughout the house and I've almost never bought any parts for it through them. I always skip them and go right to their source :).
I have contacted Murray in the past for owner's manuals and they have been great. They had the manual for my '65 Craftsman and '79 Craftsman snowblower and gladly sent it to me at no charge. So did Tecumseh on the engine manual.
I haven't paid for a Sears owner's manual yet. LOL.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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A family friend used to work for Sears in the warrantee/service department. She used to get me the cross referenced OEM part numbers. She retired 2 years ago.
Sears here has recently closed down most of the service centers in this area. I rarely went to them. Last time I needed a carb for my mower. The rebuild kit was $20, the carb was $25 with new gaskets. I called my local mower & small industrial engine parts place. They had a back order on the carb's. The Sears service center that was 15 miles away had 4 in stock, for roughly the same price. So I went there. Ended up buying a few tools while Iwas standing around (rebuilts). Charles
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Yup, same here Charles. My uncle's neighbor worked there and we got the discount. Good stuff.
Since I live in NYC, virtually everything is available here. LOL :) Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...
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