Re: GM's Dick Wagonwheel dont wanna rub butts in bed with french

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You mean the number one selling SINGLE model CAR. More than half the all the vehicles sold in the US for the past five years have been light trucks.
GM sells more cars than Toyota but not with the same brand on the hood. When it comes to the number one single brand name vehicles Ford sells that. The number one selling vehicle is the Ford F150 and it has been for 28 years. Ford sell the F150 at annual rate nearly twice that of the Camry. GM sells far more Silverado's than the Camry and Dodge sells more Rams than the Camry as well .
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No wonder the gas prices are so high. Perhaps those better for the world people who buy the Toyota hybrids will help out those buying such large vehicles.
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I hope so ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

But Rolls Royce is not known for high quality. They don't ride as smoothly as Cadillacs or Lincolns, and they break down at high rates.
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How do you know that? What year and model did you own? ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

I have an uncle who's a car nut and an aunt who's an Anglophile. They each have the same model -- Silver-something. Also a friend of my FIL told me not to buy one, as if I could afford even the owner's manual.
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Mayb e you can download it in PDF.
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Ya, right ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

What makes you think Rolls Royces have high quality?
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Toyota is rpetty competitive. And they are moving production into the US.
So I disagree with this.
Even if you were correct, with the contracts GM has with the UAW, it would cost them a furtune to move production overseas. It costs almost as much to pay benefits for an unemployed worker compared to having the worker do actual work.

Actually, less than 40 years. The Japanese really started to take market share away in the late seventy's and eighty's.
But that is around 25 or 30 years.
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Jeff wrote:

and whatever they could have automated they already did. Do they even have contracts with UAW?

Right. Back to the square one with the cost of labor.
Did they have to bail out Delphi? Aren't there people who are paid to plan for contingencies like that and develop disaster recovery plans? It seems like farming out parts production way back when would've enabled them to build backup parts suppliers in places where you could make decent quality parts because all your money are not spent on labor and you therefore are forced to cut corners on R&D and parts.
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I think most workers in the US for Toyota, Honda, etc., are non-union.

GM had to bail Delphi because it was a spin-off of GM. One of those complicated legal things. A lot of it had to do with pensions that Delphi inherited from GM.

Yeah, they are called bankrupcy lawyers.

The problem with this idea is that parts suppliers are not free. A parts supplier is not going to set up spare capacity for free, just in case. Extra capacity costs money.
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Do you have evidence or knowledge of this Jeff? Simply because GM spun Delphi off in no way obligated GM to any sort of bail out of Delphi. What was it about the pension funds that causes you to say that a lot had to do with pensions?
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Unfortunately Delphi is now producing many parts in foreign locations; they are a big importer.
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several yrs yet collect a big regular cheque. Of course growing Toyota seldom lays off workers, they are usually hiring due to growth in their NA production.
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You forgot to mention Toyota pays their workers less, offer them fewer and less desirable health and dental benefits and life insurance. They do not offer them a defined pension plan, only a 401k for which they must pay into. All of that to assemble vehicles of mostly imported parts from low wage countries on vehicles that cost 20% to 30% more to buy, than those of comparable size and equipment, sold by their competitors vehicles. ;)
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Unfortunately many GM workers will get much less than promised if GM is to survive.

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In any event, it is more than Toyota gives it workers
Wrong, those Toyotas with a '4' as the first number of the VIN have less than 70% but more than 40%. Those with a '5' like the Tundra have les than 40%.
Since Honda, who actually builds cars like the Accord in the US and has a '1' as the first number of the VIN, filed a complaint with the FTC about Toyota claming their cars were made in American when they are only assembled here. Toyota now says in its ads 'Assembled in the US of world sourced parts.' ;)
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Really?
The first number indicates the country of origin:
http://ntl.bts.gov/faq/vin.html
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