misleading in Hummer article

The vehicle doesnt last 100 thousand miles. It last longer. The battery life may last to 100 thousand miles, but if you were to change it by cost, then
you still have a better cost vehicle...
The 2007 Prius is around 23 thousand msrp... The 2007 Hummer H2 is around 55 thousand msrp
The H2 gets around 10 to 13 mpg to the gallon depending where you drive it... (not even adding how) The Prius gets around anywhere from 35 to 50 depending on where and how it is being driven...
So let's say the battery goes out at 100 thousand miles... You replace the battery for 4 thousand dollars...
That's still half the cost. and your'e still getting 4 times the gas efficency...
SORRY, SORRY, Sorry, I just get flustered at B.S. articles on the web with the intent to stir the HICKS up into thinking that a Hummer and a Ford F350 are much greener cars than those "silly little hybrids...."
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GO Mavs wrote:

It gets 6.8 mpg in the city.
A semi on a run with a load manages better than that !
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I should have noted that those numbers were GM's numbers.
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You're missing the entire point of the article. What's the REAL cost of manufacturing those batteries? The mining of the lead and nickel and whatever other element and chemicals are required, the shipping of those batteries, the disposal of those batteries, etc.

You don't get it. The final cost to the consumer is only PART of the equation.
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Larry Bud wrote:

What do you mean by 'real cost' ?
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Eeyore wrote:

Perhaps the summation of environmental and incidental expenses associated with the product?
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Driver wrote:

And how exactly do you evaluate these ?
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You can't evaluate them all, but that doesn't mean ignoring them is prudent.
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Driver wrote:

Until you can evaluate them it's just so much hot air talking about it.
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The environmental cost of every part on both vehicles. If you want to have an objective environmental impact study of both vehicles, it's dishonest to only compare MPG, for example.
What's the amount of energy required to manufacture the batteries, to deliver them from plant to plant, and to dispose of them? What about the environmental cost of disposal over a long period of time? etc...
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But MPG is a big part of it in that it is just how much fuel is saves but also how much LESS CO2 and NOx it emits in pounds per mile because it consumes less fuel

What amout of energy is used to manufacture the materails for a vehciles with nearly 3 times the mass that requires bigger tires (that use more resources and energy too make) and will use about 4 to 5 times as much fuel in its life time (these vehcile are kinda the king or gas hogs) so there is far greater use of fuel AND energy required to make that fuel.
You can spin the numbers all you want but no way you will EVER sell that a Hummer is more green than a Prius. No doubt Detriot would like to sell that concept though and big oil would to ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
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SnoMan wrote:

All you have to do is look at the weight of both vehicles.
The environmental impact relates to the quantity of material used and the Hummer's probably around 3 times worse in that respect.
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Yeah, and? How does that conflict with anything I've said?

Yes, everything needs to be included to have an objective measure.

Really? Have you run the numbers? The point to be made is that MPG is only one component in determining the real cost, in both economic and environmental, of any vehicle. The article at least bring into consideration the other factors. You aren't.
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Larry Bud wrote:

Fair enough.

What disposal ? Large batteries need to be recycled..
What about the environmental cost of oil production and refining ?
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Plastic bottles need to be recycled too, but they all don't make it. There's a cost to recycling too.

Sure, we need to count everything. That's the point. The article tried to incorporate more factors that just the obtuse recognition of MPG. Greens are too blinded by their faith to even consider other factors.
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Right. Now hopefully you will present us with a cost/benefit analysis of an oil refinery - the much higher incidence of cancer in the surrounding area, groundwater pollution, air pollution, and the off chance of the damn thing blowing up occasionally. Spent most of my life living within eyeshot of refineries in Houston, Texas. Don't tell me about the "hidden costs" of batteries. (Hidden costs - there are entire NEIGHBORHOODS near the coast there that have sunk below sea level and have been abandoned, because of refineries pumping out excessive amounts of ground water!)
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You think maybe that is why we have an EPA that all Pro big business and oil company people love to hate and blame for everything imaginable.
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You may want to do some real research, read the entire report, before making such comments. You've been suckered in by the Green Team!
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They are .Hybrids are for castrated wimps and weenies

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