Opinion sought

Page 1 of 5  
I am looking for a car for my wife (baby on the way and my wife's 91 Ford escort won't cut in anymore) I have been looking at 1987 - 90 MB 300D cars. There are a few available
with 135K Km (Japanese imports) for around $11K CAD. Alternatively I have considered the wagons in the gasoline engine.
- First opinions sought re. the overall quality of the cars.     - the sanity of purchasing a car that old for the money - Reliability? are these cars good? - general comments about these cars
My alternative is to buy another Toyota for a bit more $$$
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Buy the Toyota, you'll have more than enough to do without messing about with the troubles of an old car.
Old cars are cheap for a reason - they need work and that means either your time (DIY) or your money - there's no free lunch.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
T.G. Lambach wrote:

you're likely correct though.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
smoked salmon wrote:

Don't worry, when the baby arrives you'll be yawning at the Benz too ;)
Ximinez
--
Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...
and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

I think this is flawed thinking. The used car in question has an excellent probability of having a very good longevity factor. If you buy a new car, you have higher insurance costs, and you are either paying more interest to finance the car or you are not getting a return on your investments if you were to pay cash.
New cars are not maintenance free, especially the Japanese cars. When you look at the amount scheduled maintenance costs (timing belts every70k miles etc.) you would probably spend less to maintain the Benz diesel than you would for the beer can.
--
Roger Shoaf

If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

We have 6 of these old benzes and I second that.
cp
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Maybe. But I'd feel bad about packing my kids up in a Toyota and lettnig them loose on a freeway to play with 18 wheelers. At the end of the day it's harder to die in the benz.
--
Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Well said! MB has better safety record.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Yes, they are reliable if well maintained, but you can't expect it to be trouble free with the age you are looking at. They do drive very nice and the diesel engine is know for its longevity if it has been maintained.
I had much rather drive an older Mercedes and deal with the quirks than a Toyota, but that's my personal opinion.
--

"smoked salmon" <"Noemail"@forme.org> wrote in message
news:rMqhg.17925$I61.15029@clgrps13...
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Jeff wrote:

the market. I really detest VW I have owned 2 both were terrible so that is out of the question. Plus, I am 6'4" and need a roomy car. There sure is a lot of room in the 300D.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
smoked salmon wrote:

A child-seat does take up one passenger space, no matter how roomy. But the wife says she feels safer that the family is in a Mercedes rather than a Toyota. So that was one consideration for getting an older MB.
One "advantage" is that they also usually don't have airbags, which aren't so good with child-seats.
*DO* get it checked by an independent workshop before deciding. I'm sure the others here would be happy to recommend one in your area.
Which part of Canada are you in? Diesels are much harder to start in the cold if not in tip-top condition. Also, the heating systems may act up at that age.
It is rear-wheel drive, and most Toyotas front-wheel drive, like the Escort, so depends who is driving, and whether the different handling will cause a problem.
Cheers, WS
--
change to leews to mail

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Most Canadian cars. gas or diesel, come with engine block heater that they must plug in during the winter... otherwise, they just can't start it.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Not true. I didn't use a block heater this winter. I think there were three times when I had to drag out a second Optima battery and use both to start it, but it did start every time.
--
Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Some area in Canada is so freezing cold... My uncle used to live there... he said, one day he forgot to plug the car in at work parking lot (all provided by employer)... when he got out of work, he couldn't start the car and it was super freezing... gas engine too.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

It's like that here. Some parts of Canada, ie, Regina Sask. where my brother lives, are so cold that there's plugs in a lot of parking lots so you can plug your car block heater in while you're parked there.
Yes at -44 (F or C, it's the same at tham temp) many cars will not start without block heat, gas or disel, MB or other.
I live in Ontario and we've seen that temp a couple of times in recent memory.
Usually during the winter.
--
Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
ws wrote:

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

I live in vancouver as well. If you want, my friend will have a 1985 w126 long body with 300SD engine available. He took out the 500sel engine and is rebuilding a 300sd engine and transmission, then putting it in. If interested email to cplas _AT_ telus _DOT_ net
cp
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Nonsense. A basic understanding of what a glo plug is, how it works and how to keep them happy will start the car in the worst part of canada on the coldest day. A bit of common sense goes a long way. You will need a block heater at -44. There's many gas cars that de facto need the same thing.
Heat is generlaly easy to fix in all but the oldest (70s) benzes.
--
Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
If you are serious about MB, then I highly recommend you have that car inspected by MB specialist BEFORE you buy it.
Check all service record... make sure all the fuel lines are all changed... Tranny is very important... if they changed it not too long ago, it is a plus only if it is running properly... responsive and all.
I own a W124 and I love it. I am still working out the quirks... but I am almost there. Diesel engine is more reliable and less maintenance than gas... The W124 are probably one of the most reliable of all MB series... good balance of electronics and not overloaded with complexities... simple basic car.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
I'm with TG on this one. The car under consideration is 16-20 years old with 135K KM on it. At that age and mileage, you can expect considerably more maintenance issues than you would have with a new Toyota. If you buy it with that understanding and are prepared to deal with it as necessary, they can be a good purchase. A good example is buying one as a second car.
However if you don't have the time or skill to do some of the repairs yourself, can't be without the car while it's being repaired somewhere else, don't have a second car, etc. then this type of car may not be for you.
Also, the issues of diesels in cold temps is a valid one. Depending on how the car is being used, the need for a block heater in winter may rule it out. .
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Related Threads

    Motorsforum.com is a website by car enthusiasts for car enthusiasts. It is not affiliated with any of the car or spare part manufacturers or car dealers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.