As several posters have pointed out, in the US the first 4yr/50k
is covered by a bumper to bumper warranty and scheduled maintenance.
You shouldn't have to spend on anything other than gas and tires.
I must be one of those with bad luck because I've had several things
go wrong - fuel sending units were replace twice, ignition coils
had to be replaced, warped rotors needed replacing, and there
were 3 or 4 bulb failures. The only thing that I paid the dealer
for was an alignment because I had a steering vibration problem.
After 50k, for the original owner, BMW has started selling an
extended _service_ warranty which covers scheduled maintenance
including stuff like brakes and rotors. The dealer should have
more information about this plan and what it will cost for the
new cars. It covers the car to 6yr/100k. BMW also sells an
extended warranty valid for 6yr/100k, but it's not as comprehensive
as the original warranty - there is quite a long list of
exclusions, e.g. stereo is not covered under this. At the time
I bought the warranty, the dealer didn't have too much information
on it, but I bought it anyway. BMW then sent me an information packet
on this and I had 30 days to cancel and get a refund. (I'm not
sure if this is because it's a California law, but I did have the
option to cancel.)
As far as I'm concerned, the pleasure of driving a BMW (even when
compared to Acura, Lexus, Infiniti which I test drove at the
time I bought the car) far outweighs the pain. If I had to choose
again, I'd still pick the BMW.
I know I have broken the rules by removing the rest of the post but it was
getting too much.
I can't believe you are asking about warranty before sitting
in/seeing/driving the car.
What happens if the nice man at BMW sends you the warranty details, and you
like the terms but then go and look at the car drive it and decide you don't
If your response is you have already driven it then maybe you should have
asked about the warranty during the test drive.
A BMW will cost more than a Nissan! It may also cost moreto run than a
It MAy also develop more problems than a Nissan!
BUT it will always be a better more enjoyable car to drive than a Nissan!!!
IF your decision is based purely on logic and running costs of the vehicle
the nyou should buy a Toyota Prius
If like 80% of us decisions such as this are based on emotion then the BMW
will always win
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:31:56 +0000 (UTC), "Scott" <scott251170not
Then maybe you have an anger management problem. Tried prozac?
What a moronic thing to say. Sitting in, seeing and driving the car
is of no value to me at all if it falls apart in 10k miles.
That's fine. It could happen. I dont understand your question here.
There are a lot of other things that could get in the way of the deal
happening. But I've already said that I place a huge emphasis on
reliability and I don't like the fact that BMW is being elusive about
their warranty information.
You're just not paying attention. I already said I am not going near
the dealership until I have a copy of the warranty details.
Not necessarily. Maybe a fully equipped BMW will cost more than a
fully equipped Nissan, but BMW is well known for overcharging for
options. Besides I only mentioned Nissan because they put their
warranty information online. Infiniti has their warranty as a
downloadable PDF file as well. If you are going to start making
comparisons, you should compare BMW to Infiniti.
Why? Inferior engineering? If this is the case, tell me exactly why
I should buy an inferior car?
Again, use your brain for a second and draw a fair comparison here.
Infiniti is Nissans direct competitor for BMW. The G5 is a formidable
opponent to the 3 series.
You are once again jumping to conclusions. Did you get far in school?
I never said my decision is based "purely on logic and running costs".
Obviously if I am looking at BMW, I am interested in a certain amount
of performance/overall driving pleasure, but anyone with intelligence
is also looking for value. I myself work in engineering, and for the
most part I can tell you that well engineered machinery usually does
not make its warranty a secret or require you to tolerate a sales
pitch to get the information.
After some of the responses I've seen here, I am beginning to think
that a good 20% of BMW owners have more dollars than sense, are
enamoured by the BMW brand name (possibly due to a case of arrested
development left over from the 80s'), and more and more I'm thinking
that Lexus, Infiniti or Acura will be a better car for someone who
wants both performance and value.
It may be of no value to *you*, but it's of value to others.
If your attitude was widespread, noone would ever buy a Ferrari, for
I've driven BMW's since 1978. They've been no more trouble, IMO,
than any other of the cars I've owned. Less than our Isuzu Trooper,
certainly less than our '91 Plymouth Voyager - crap engine, crap
transmission, crap interior parts.
We now own two BMWs, 3 Toyotas and a Porsche. The Toyotas
are just as expensive to have work done on them as the BMWs.
But they're not nearly as fun to drive. Of course, one is a truck
and they're never as much fun...
You're specifically looking at a 2006 325. My opinion is don't
buy it. BMW - along with virtually every other manufacturer - has
a history of teething problems with new models. The '92 E36 3 series
had problems. The 1st year of the E46 did, too (although fewer.)
the original X5 had problems.
The new 325i has a *brand new* engine. It's a new body. It's
the first time idrive has been in a 3-series. A prescription for
trouble. Wait a year, or buy something else. OTOH, you
might not have any problems at all; lots of BMW drivers don't.
Right. I dont want a Ferrari either. Not reliable enough for a
primary car. This would be what I drive to work in the mornings.
Isuzus and Plymouths are crap. Not a good reliability benchmark.
This is somewhat encouraging.. but, Im not looking here at how much it
cost to get work done on them. I need to factor in how OFTEN it takes
as well. As I mentioned in another post, just taking time off work to
get these errands done costs me bigtime.
Very insightful post from the last quote on. Im getting the same
initial impression. Im a little scared of a new model, especially
when its a german make. Thanks for your input.
I agree, my last 2 vehicles have been new models. A 1999 VW New Jetta
and 2003 BMW Z4. Both had problems. Both had recalls. I can tell you
this though (and maybe it has more to do with the dealer than the car),
BMW troubles were not as anoying. The dealer made the repairs timely and
arranged transportation for me when needed. Dealing with VW was *much*
more annoying, time consuming and just an overall bad experience.
I loved the Jetta, but hated the service. I went with the Z4 because I
wanted more power and RWD. From 2.0(read 2.slow) to 3.0i made a huge
difference. I love the Z4, but now that I am married I am trading that
My car is being tranferred to the local deal at this time. I will pick
it up later this week. Wondering what it is? Yes, another new model. A
2006 BMW 330i. The new engine (255hp) with 6-speed is almost as fast as
my Z4 to 60 - 6.1s instead of 5.9s. Yes it is noticeable, no I don't
care. The roominess for the family outwieghs the acceleration now that I
have a family.
I'm rambling now...... Anyway - the point is all new model cars I have
had do have more problems than usual. Knowing this I still bought
another new model. Maybe I'm just an idiot. I am hoping BMW put enough
thought, research, testing, money, whatever into developing their icon
auto so that I won't have trouble with the new 3. Only time will tell.
Let us know how you like it. I've thought about replacing my 330xi,
but we generally run cars until they die. I'm thinking that I may buy
a diesel 3 or 5 series after they become available after 2007...
I have a 2001 330xi. Manual, sport package (seats, steering wheel
and exterior fitments), cold weather package, leather. I have almost 75K
miles on it; no engine/transmission problems. Only problems have
been radio, passenger seat, short in driver's seat heater (they just
recalled the 7 series for this IIRC, so it may be only a matter of time
before the other models...) and a couple of other minor things that
escape me at the moment.
I have snow tires (Michelin Pilot Alpine) for it; the original all-season
performance tires are barely adequate. With the snows, the traction
and handling/cornering is quite amazing. The new 330xi has the
xDrive system I believe, which should add even more performance
above the 34/66 constant split which mine has. Right now I have a set
of performance "summer" tires from a 325i on it - they really add
quite a bit of handling.
Thanks for the information. I was hoping to get by without putting on
snow tires. The car it would be replacing is front wheel drive and
gets by with all season tires. I live in central US so we do get our
share of snow but nothing like they get in the north. I've had many
BMW's over the years but never one with AWD. Over the years i've made
a point to have one of my cars a front wheel drive car for those snowy
winter days we get. No matter what I buy I'll keep at least one BMW. I
really love them (except in the snow). If I get an xi maybe I'll
finally have a BMW that I like in the snow. Thanks again.
You're in quite a different situation than me: I'm retired and spend
my winters in the Cascade Mts. of WA state teaching skiing. I
spend 80-120 days (depending upon weather) on snow. I can't
afford not having the best traction, since I hit the roads before
they're plowed sometimes, and the drive to my cabin is plowed
only 3-4 times a winter. I had the all-seasons on the first two
years I had it, and although I only got stuck once (my fault).
You can count me out from that one. I bought my E39 at two years old to
get the vest value. And although I've had two previous BMWs, I'm not
blindly loyal to any brand. I drove all the competition within my price
range, and at the time, the E39 was just simply the best, and by some
margin. So much so that I'm not tempted to change it, even although I've
now had it much longer than usual. I didn't extend the warranty, and in
the 3 years or so since it ran out have had to replace a crank position
sensor, aux air fan, final stage resistor and drivers door handle, all of
which I did myself. But even if I'd had to pay the full cost of fitting,
I'd still have saved over the cost of the extended warranty.
*Elephants are the only mammals that can't jump *
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
That's an interesting one. When Autocar in the UK road tested one fully,
they found the touring fuel consumption of the Prius far worse than the
new 320D - a far faster car. It managed 44 mpg while the BMW did 56.
Ignoring town only use - and who would buy a BMW purely for town use - the
Prius is a bit of a joke. Even more telling was the overall consumption
for the duration of the test (about 1000 miles) which of course included
performance testing - 23 mpg. The BMW, 28.
Note this was an early Prius. The latest one may well be different, since
the new Lexus RX400H gave impressive results for its class. Although it
too gave nowhere near the 'official mpg' in real world use.
*Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.
Dave Plowman firstname.lastname@example.org London SW
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