On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:26:47 -0400, "Sharkman540i"
Lamers like you aren't exactly drawing prestige to the BMW brand name.
In fact a couple of you idiots have me leaning toward not wanting to
be associated with it.
And who the fuck are you again? Because I dont recognize you. Did
you try to contribute something useful to this conversation under a
different alias or did you decide to just pop off out of nowhere?
What some of the smartasses here have voluntarily failed to realize is
that I was asking a legitimate question about the warranty. I came
looking for information. A few people offered reasonable suggestions
and I engaged them with the same level of respect they engaged me
On the other hand, a few smacktards came out of nowhere and started
calling me names, and received an appropriate spanking. I am willing
to continue, and intensify the level of spanking until they have
learned their lesson. Consider it my way of helping these toddlers
prepare for their future in the real world.
That wasn't intelligent! I'm someone who has had 14 BMW's over the
past 25 years. Going by what you have written I can assure you that
you would NOT be happy with a BMW. Quit wasting your time and
everybody else's and buy something else. I mean this in all sincerity.
Good luck with whatever you purchase. BTW: Profanity isn't necessary.
Good Grief, Jerri.
We've now cost Choder mucho $$$ because he had to go and look up everyone's
history so that he could give us an appropriate spanking. I'll bet the group
is envious of his capability, and impressed with his bottom line loss.
Perhaps Choder should go and argue with himself. While some of us might have
a slight personal interest in whether he buys a BMW or not (I don't do any
work for the 3 series though) but I doubt anyone here really cares if he
buys a Corolla (exceptional value) or any other vehicle instead of a BMW 3
It's interesting that Choder is an engineer. Engineers do spin their wheels
a lot. Talking, complaning, theorizing, making suggestions, things of this
nature - but it never seems to be the engineer that actually gets any work
physical work done... He must be good at his job!
This sounds like the lower class complaining about the upper class.
So tell me your grief point again, slavebitch? You're mad because I
came here to ask legitimate questions, and defended myself against a
small minority of retards that is so infatuated with the BMW emblem
that they will attack a person for simply inquiring about the
warranty? Those of you that fit that description have surely added to
the prestige that goes with the BMW name. I'm sure they will offer
you a job in marketing soon.
On the other side of the coin, we have salespeople (aka bullshit
artists, liars, scum of the earth) who make a living from trying to
talk people out of their money. Since you're anti-engineer, you must
be from this group. How proud your kids will be!
I was a bit surprised too. Here's the whole story :-)
I started observing steering vibration that was intermittent
I couldn't pin the issue down to any speed or road type and
in fact demonstrated this to the tech at the dealer.
On the first visit to the dealer for this problem they
replaced the front brakes and rotors. They recommended
a balance and alignment but I refused because I had just
bought new tires and the place I bought them would do the
balance for free and the car tracked straight, so I figured
the alignment would be OK. However, the steering vibration
problem persisted, and I took the car back to America's Tire Co.
which is where I bought the tires and had them rebalance.
They said the balance checked out fine, i.e. they didn't
have to adjust anything. I took the car back to the dealer
a couple of weeks later. They again replaced the rotors
and brakes and recommended a balance and alignmentment.
This time I agreed to do it because by now I was tired of
making trips to the dealer.
The steering vibration problem was fixed. They
did change the weights on the tires. One of the tires
that had a big weight from my visit to America's Tire Co.
had no weight at all, so I'm assuming even the balancing was
off. They also had a printout of the "before" spec for the
alignment and that was off as well. After the alignment was
done, the car had a slight drift to the right; I took it in
once more and they fixed that by swapping the front tires.
Now it feels all OK. The steering vibration is gone and
the car tracks straight.
Becareful about labeling people you know nothing about, esspecially when it
is *you* who is complaining about your perceived high cost of owning a
I'm not "mad." I'm also not attacking you because I'm infatuated with the
BMW logo (I drive a Toyota). I just think you're lazy, and enjoy
complaining. Further, you don't seem to be able to do anything about
whatever it is you're complaining about.
Did you actually think you would get all the details you were looking for by
posting a question here? You have to have realistic expectations of a
process in order for it to succeed. Looks like this one failed.
I am not employed by BMW and I don't work in any type of marketing.
I'm not in sales of any type (as far as cars go). As I implied earlier, my
job is to get the engineers' ideas to work correctly. Somewhere between the
theory (engineer) and the finished product (car driving down the road).
I'm not exactly anti-engineer. It just strikes me as such a huge cliche that
you come here to complain about something which no one here can change, and
then you get remarkably defensive when those who post to this forum explain
the situation to you.
So finally, what can we do for you?
The answer to that question is in the original post in this thread. I
asked for some simple information. Everything that happened
thereafter was in response to attacks. If you watch the history of
this thread you will see I came here with a fairly simple question.
You and a handful of others are the ones who wanted to turn it into a
Here's a novel idea: when someone posts a question, if you don't know
the answer, why dont you save the bandwidth, time, and simply shut the
fuck up? Otherwise, when the thread winds down, it becomes very clear
that there are three types of participants:
1. Those seeking information
2. Those providing information
3. Those who simply stuck their noses in because they suck at life and
enjoy whining or trying to give others a hard time.
Im the first one, who was unfortunately put in a position to defend
myself against a few number threes. The number twos entered the
thread, shared what they knew, and got out.
The answer is knowing where to get information. No one knows everything.
Most people know very little. The internet is popular because it is easy to
get information, or get information on getting information, on the internet.
Originally, before you posted your question, you consulted the internet for
information regarding the BMW extended warranty. While the internet did not
provide that information itself, it did tell you where to find that
You have chosen to seek other means (even though the first answer was very
much correct and functional). You've come here. Again you did not received
the information you were looking for, but in fact information on where you
could find the information you're looking for. While looking, you made an
ass of yourself, and continue to do so. Thankfully, the internet is
forgiving and you'll be none the worse for it.
The conclusion of this thread, and all your time searching and arguing
you've spent is that you still have precisely two options (the same two
options you had before you came here): you can go and see a dealer, or you
can buy your car from another manufacturer.
Now, you can call me names for as long as you want. You can participate in
flame wars until your fingers fall off. Unfortunately, you still have only
two options, and neither of them are influenced by the course of action
*you* chose to enter into after you posted your question.
Remember that no one here cares if you find the information you're looking
Yes, but is it such a bizarre request to ask a group of enthusiasts
about a make whether or not anyone has the information in an
electronic format they could share? In other words, someone who has
already gone through the sales song and dance and has a simple .pdf
they could share, etc. In all of the newsgroups for other car makes,
luxury models or otherwise, I find the group as a whole to be quite
helpful with this type of information sharing. This group however
(while I will admit there were some people who made an effort to help
early on) however seems to have an excessive number of people who just
want to ignite a flame war over the simple fact that I refuse to go 30
minutes from home and spend another hour talking to a salesman, just
in order to obtain something so trivial as warranty information.
As this thread was going on, I made a mental list of the last two
dozen or so items I have purchased over the last year that cost more
than fifty bucks or so. I looked up most of the manufacturers online.
I could not find a SINGLE case where the warranty information for the
product I bought was not available online. So, when you guys start
defending BMW's practice of not putting the warranty online, you are
only citing yourself as oddballs. Being elusive with warranty
information *IS* very uncommon and should be cause for concern.
Actually someone did provide quite a bit of the answers I was looking
for... are you following the thread completely? Whether or not the
information is 100% correct might be another issue, but the fact that
someone is making a reasonable effort to answer the question is
(almost) all I could ask for. The other thing I could ask for is that
folks who have absolutely nothing to contribute but whining would
kindly shut the fuck up.
Only in the small little minds of yourself and a handful of others.
That's not true, someone provided me some of the information, and
someone else suggested I call the dealer and request the information
be mailed to me. The effort of the original post was not a complete
In almost any other car newsgroup, I think the thread would have
remained focused on information sharing rather than flaming. It seems
a certain percentage of BMW enthusiasts are "special" (in the same
sense of the word it is used in "special" olympics.
Just as nobody cares if you choke to death on a sardine. That's just
the internet. I didn't come here looking for hugs and kisses, I came
here looking for information. I did receive some, its not perfect,
but hey that's the internet too.
What's even better is that I've had the opportunity to publically
spank a few snot-nosed little cry babies, who might have learned a
think or two about jutting their noses into a thread and invoking a
flame war where there did not need to be one. Maybe in some small
way, this will reduce the number of smacktards on usenet, or at least
encourage them to engage their brains before picking a fight. I can
only remain optimistic.
We have only his word for the money as well. You generally find that people
who do earn a reasonable amount don't brag about it.
This idiot is nothing but a troll.
Fortunately BMW do not need to sell cars to wankers.
Perhaps this wanker can stay with Nissan.
I'm sure they'll be just thrilled to see him again.
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