40 years of the Ford Transit...

Dunno mate. A griffon is a small dog. The RR Griffin was a V12 - successor to the Merlin. Of Griifin I wot not.

Internal to the engine? Are you sure about that? Check your Thomas the Tank Engine books?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember ":::Jerry::::" saying something like:

Here's a clue - the boiler is not part of the engine.

Don't give him clues, you're spoiling the fun. Let him dig himself a deeper hole. Sooner or later he'll do some reading on the subject and learn, but by then he'll be in so deep in the wrong place that he won't be able to argue his way out of it. Know what I mean?

: Gas turbines are most certainly IC engines, but they operate on : a rather different working cycle than otto engines. Brydon : cycle, as opposed to Otto, Clark or Diesel..

Brayton. Or Joule.

Ian

PS Wikipedia's entry on this is a classic. Howling error in the very first line!

Are you saying that gas turbines are not internal combustion?

You do know what the definition of internal combustion is, don't you?

Ian

: You really are the ignorant little trolling turd, if your description : is correct then it makes a railway steam locomotive an IC engine....

Combustion in a steam locomotive does not take place within the Rankine cycle system boundary.

Next.

Ian

steam

The whole frigging thing is the 'engine', firebox, boiler, cylinders and wheels, remove one of those components and the thing is no longer able to work.

Check your Thomas the Tank Engine books yourself...

steam

Oh yes it is, it's not normally part of the *cylinders* though, I can see that you know jack s**te about railways you moron trolling idiot...

: I was tempted to buy one a few years ago. A stripped out fuselage in : the scrappy, it would have made an _excellent_ shed.

Wolds Gliding Club at Pocklington use a Shorts 360 (I think) fuselage as a launch point caravan.

Ian

description

engine....

It takes place within the engine, the heat source is not external to the engine and the engine is the whole unit. You seem to thing that the cylinders alone are the railway engine.

I agree with you, a steam engine is not an IC engine, but the Grimy Troll's definition makes it one as the heat source is not external to the mass....

Well every engine is a IC unit then by your definition....

Griffin

You didn't try very hard.... (mind any line wrap)

So close, and yet so far...

Well, that's like calling the cylinders in a car engine the IC engine and claiming that the carb and crankshaft are nothing to do with the it...

As I said, you seem to know little about what a railway steam engine is, or how it works!

Is suspect the poor dab doesn't, though being a nice chap I'm willing to throw him a small clue:

Do the combustion products form the working fluid for the engine? If yes, IC; if no, EC.

In the light of this, discuss how engines operating on the Rankine and Otto and Brydon cycles differ.

Nuts. That'll teach me to check my own notes :)

This is unusual in precisely what way? ;)

Check out "railway engine" and "steam engine". Different usage.

Tell me, is the driver internal to the engine, then? "internal human engine"?

:::Jerry:::: ( snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they :::were saying :

Blimey.

But... But... But... So many questions! It does seem like a damn good idea.