Bodywork repairs following accident - paint match

Yes but not with this type of paint, it would not significantly alter in twenty years to make colour matching problematic.

Yes but it still doesn't prove if the sprayer could actually match the paint anyway it he's incompetent.

Unfortunately for the op that seems to be the case these days.

Stephen.

A local insurance appproved paint outlet near me lost their insurance approval because of poor work, so it probably won't last forever.

Stephen.

Yes but not is such a way the sprayer can't match with two component paints.

The colour red is particularly bad for fading but this is a silver metallic finish that will not significantly fade to make a difficult match.

Stephen.

I also depends on the quality of the paint, cheaper varieties don't last as long as expensive ones. Car manufacturing plants always use top quality paint and if it is a silver base metallic it lasts for years.

Stephen.

Yes

There lies the problem.

So far, things might change though.

Stephen.

Indeed Yes.

Stephen.

: : I also depends on the quality of the paint, cheaper varieties : don't last as long as expensive ones. Car manufacturing plants : always use top quality paint and if it is a silver base metallic : it lasts for years. :

In theory, in practice it is far from as simple as that, even were there is only one officially recorded code for the shade of colour there can still be deviations even with the paint on factory fresh cars...

Sorry Steve but you have obviously lead a very insular professional life if you really believe what you are saying.

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: >They stay in business because the insurance companies keep feeding : >them work , infact several of the larger 'chain' body shops are owned : >by insurance companies. : >

: So far, things might change though. :

Well they haven't in the 20 years I've been in this side of the trade and if anything things are getting worse, from the independent repairers point of view.

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: >No it wouldnt if the original paint had faded over 26 years : : Yes but not with this type of paint, it would not significantly : alter in twenty years to make colour matching problematic.

Assuming a lot of variables, matching the colour is only one of the issues and the OP has yet to give us a technical appraisal of the problem, all we have been told is that "Its now blatantly obvious that the back has been resprayed but not the whole car", for all we know the rest of the car could look dull (having lost it's shine) compared to the new...

: : A local insurance appproved paint outlet near me lost their : insurance approval because of poor work, so it probably won't last : forever. :

There is poor work and there is doing what the insurance Co. asked to be done...

: >> In message : >> "steve robinson" wrote: : >>

: >> > Rob wrote: : >> >

: >> >> On 03/07/2010 10:08, steve robinson wrote: : >> >> > snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote: : >> >> >

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: >> > If you want an exact match you need to take the vehicle to a : >> > specialist restorer and be prepared to pay large sums . : >> >

: >> No that is not necessary, the vehicle does not have a 1920's paint : >> job it is a 1987 paint job which is still classed as a modern day : >> paint finish and easy to match irrespective of whether it was : >> sprayed in acrylic, cellulose or twin-pack. : >

: >I wouldnt class that as a modern paint finish : : The only difference now is water based paint has been introduced : along with low VOC but the mixing furmulae still remains the same : as does the twin-pack paint.

all of which HAS changed the paint formulations

: : You can still paint a modern car in the same paint type today as : you could 30 years ago, yes we have alternatives but the same : paint in use today is still classed as modern. : : >> >> On hindsight, the OP probably wishes he'd asked if the resprayed : >> >> area would match existing. A question that shouldn't need asking : >> >> IMO. : >> > >

: >> >> I'd agree that it appears this garage is not a charity. It also : >> >> appears not competent. it was asked to do a job. It either : >> couldn't >> or wouldn't. I'd take legal action or drop it, and put : >> it down to a >> bad experience. : >> > >

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: >> > The garage has matched the paint to the original vehicle paint : >> > code thats all the insurance companies will pay for , they wont : >> > pay for bespoke matching services . : >> >

: >> > Another problem is paints now are acrylic , its possible the op : >> > car was cellulose , its near impossible to get accurate matching : >> > in these circumstances : >>

: >> The vehicle paint code for this particular colour Gunmetal silver : >> relates to a twin-pack system and because it is classed as a : >> modern metallic colour it would be very easy to obtain the correct : >> match because there is only ONE paint shade for that colour, no : >> variants to make things more complicated, the paint mixing : >> formulae and paints are still available. : >

: >But the correct match will be fresh paint as apposed to well faded 26 : >year old paint : >

: >Any attempt to fade that paint artifically will cause colour issues : >further down the line , the garage cant win : : Not with a metallic twin-pack it won't, cellulose will yes. : : What I'm trying to ascertain here is that the garage could use many : methods to match the paint better simply from the gun, but he has : just sprayed the panels without caring if it matched or not.

Whilst there are all sorts of issues with the original paint that might make a match impossible (for example someone might have machine polished the original paint to ruin), sorry Steve but it is YOU who is taking a very simplistic "the painter was a wanker" approach not others, and thus are not actually being much help to the OP.

In these cases, especially when talking at a distance (never mind text only medium) there is never going to be a simple "yes" or "no" answer to this sort of problem.

There may only be one colour but its shading will differ between manufacturers even if the same bs ral or pantone codes are used .

We have this issue all the time with tints

I wouldn't undertake to spend time doing a poor job as matter of course

- even for money. I suppose this has something to do with a 'growth economy' and I'm lucky enough not to have to behave like this. It must be depressing, day in, day out.

Why didn't the spray shop phone the OP, explain what was about to happen, and offer to do it properly for a premium?

Rob

Because the OP wasnt the client the insurance company was , its quite possible the spray shop never even had a direct line of communication with the OP

One of the reasons i would never use an insurance approved body shop .

My brother some years ago had a similar issue with direct lines body shop in Birmingham , the repair work was so poor , the respray so rough he had it independantly assessed and all the work had to be redone elseware

The engineers condemed the works as potentially dangerous

I had a similar situation when a bloke ran into the back of my van , before i even got home his insurance company (he admited liability) had arranged to collect my vehicle to take to thier bodyshop for repair .

When i told them to bugger off they said that any costs over and above what thier bodyshop would charge will not be covered as i have to mitigate my costs etc etc.

Which is an absolute load of bollocks all my costs need to be was fair and reasonable .

They did try and stick me for £1100.00 (the price difference ) but a carefully worded letter copied to the other driver soon bought results

Fair enough! None of this would have occurred to me.

The last time it happened - er, 20 something years ago - I had to get three quotes, and I made sure, face to face, that 'proper job' was part of the undertaking. Times change etc.

Rob

Thats the problem timeshave changed for the worst , everyones trying to beat prices down , they want maximised profits minimal outlay and the customer wants to pay as lttle as possible but still wants a rolls royce job

You pay penuts and you get monkeys springs to mind

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Jerry" saying something like:

Oh, the irony. Jerry, jerry, jerry. The day I know as little as you is the day I'll hand in my boots. Carry on talking bollocks - it suits you.

Yes I know that and I know you can even spray the same colour mix and produce a different colour shade and I have to agree to assume other variables are in place but unless the op can actually inform us as to why the colour is wrong we won't know about the other variable.

My point is without other variables being problematic the colour should be doable if the sprayer was working on original factory paint work, but because we don't know we have to assume otherwise.

I have sprayed and achieved a perfect match with cheap paint and the colour matched perfectly, however a few months down the line the finish became dull and faded badly. This tends not to happen with quality paint as car manufactures won't use netto paint for this very reason.

Stephen.

I agree, I was making the assumption that the car is in sound original paint condition, which is another variable.

Stephen.