I have a question...
Is it just something about the geometry of the front end of the dodges in
general in the 98-04 models range maybe? I drove the companies (I believe
it was an 02) full size 4door Hemi, it was the same way, if you sneeze
(which can jerk your arm just a bit) you are suddenly and HARSHLY effecting
the direction of the truck when at highway speeds...?
Then I got my 00 Dak, I notice it is squirrelly as hell too, twitchy I call
it. where as, most cars and trucks I drive you have to actually move the
steering wheel a bit to even change lanes, but if you even "think" about
doing the same in the Dak, or the Ram I drove, hell you are across 4 lanes
or in the ditch in the time it takes to react. both vehicles, for what it
is worth, had nice 17 inch rims with 30 inch or more tread diameter tires on
them. My Dak has 128k miles, the company 4door had about 58k at the time.
is there anything you/we can do to minimize this?
My 2004 ram 2500 does the exact same thing. It has the solid front beam
axle, 4x4, and did it with worn Good Year Wranglers and now with new Toyo
Open Country A/T's. Alignment is good, no uneven tyre wear, no mods to
suspension or steering, 12000lb winch added recently with no change.
Well we have basically the same truck... Mine is not too bad,
certainly not so bad that I am unhappy with that aspect (and we all
know I'm unhappy with the quality...) Don't recall which tires I have
on it, but they have 46K miles on them right now.
There is a 'steering stablizer' on the draglink, you may want to check
to see if it is still working OK. That might be a factor.
Mods? none that I know of on EITHER truck, else I would have eluded to
them. If I had ONLY noticed this on my truck, I prob wouldn't ask the
forum. I have put a total of 934 miles on my newly acquired '00 dodge Dak,
(minus the test drive). it has 31x10.5x15 tires on the 4x4.
But since a few years back I had driven a (at the time ceo's company
pickup) that was really new, still had factory 17's (yet over half used up
good years), and I did typo the mileage, it was more like new, closer to
32,000 miles on it was close to needing new tires. and no it wasn't the
"work truck," lol. it was instead of buying a Lexus for him to drive (he
was more down to earth guy). it was 2wd, 4 door hemi (ran like a streak
and was the pretty nifty packaged truck at the time). but they did insist
that I drive a company vehicle on the 500 mile trip (that was nice). But I
recall that I dang near wrecked it in Kansas City, in traffic on I-70
because it was so da-m twitchy like it has indycar quick steering, when I
sneezed once... I mean I didn't switch lanes but the truck abruptly reacts
with tiniest of inputs at 60-75 mph speeds.
So that is why I asked the question. Both are 99-02 models of Dodge and
already someone noticed the same thing I see...
OK, tomorrow I'll be especially obeservant when I drive my truck.
Maybe I'm used to tight, precise steering, most of the (other)
vehicles I have are very tight or are sport cars. Possibly I'm more
used to it? Anyway, I'll see if I can notice anything.
Q: would you call this an oversteer situation maybe? Or just plain too
sensitive? (Also read my comment about the 4x4's having a steering
stablizer (like a shock absorber) on the drag link...
Sorry looks like I typo'd the name last time Peter.. sorry
Like I've tried to say, it seems like moving the wheel one inch from center,
makes a HUGE adjustment in Steering inputs to the wheels. if it were a
person I would say it was hyper sensitive, lol.
I'm trying to not make mountain out a mole hill, but we're definitely
talking about twitchy steering vs. normal "truck steering" "ish" feel.
(yeah I'm a farmer so we have a few pickups/vehicles) Dad's 02 f150 doesn't
feel like this. the 99 f150 before that, my 99 Chevy blazer I had before
this 00 dak, my POS 95 Mazda 626 daily driver, & the 07 Pacifica my wife
drives doesn't feel like that. hell not even close. I can drive anyone of
those to the limits of their handling down windy dirt roads and on good
roads, but not this dak.
that is what I think happened to that Dak in the movie clip posted yesterday
or before, the dang trucks are twitchy, and if you don't "have racing feel"
seat of the pants knowledge on how to recover, you can be screwed over
pretty dang fast by the way the steering inputs. Plus the feel from the
wheel is worst than a 74 Torino, you know with the Hydraulic cylinder that
shoves the wheels right or left with no effort, and horribly no feel of the
wheels and the road.
once you get past that 1st 2 inches, maybe it aint that bad, but those 2
inches can take you around a 45mph 90 degree bend, well almost, you know.
Come to think about it, I drove my dad's 03 1ton 4x4 (non dually) with the
Cat diesel, a few weeks ago - the same movement "almost doesn't" affect the
STEERING at all. if you see what I mean. Passing a slower vehicle I had to
really move the wheel (which seemed to me to be under sensitive). That
truck has <43k miles on it (got its 1st new set of Michelins on er this
Well, hell, if you'd said nothing, I'd have never noticed! <bg>
Oh, god, I had (thankfully) forgotten about those systems. They were
horrible, truely awful! <bg>
OK, since we're on twitchy... I have two vehicles with 'drive by wire'
throttles. The Dodge Hemi (2004 Ram 2500 4x4) and a Hummer H1 diesel.
The Hummer is perfect. Excellent throttle response, smooth,
predictable, a pleasure to drive.
The Dodge on the other hand is so twitchy (just like your steering!)
that it is a PITA at all times. You step on the fuel, nothing happens,
step more and nothing happens, then step again, and bang, it's like
you floored it!
Anyone else find their Hemi's accelerator much too sensitive,
especially at initial application of throttle (from stop lights, or
other dead stops?)
Mine's not quite as sensitive as you say yours is, but you are right, it
does require a gentle touch on the throttle when pulling away, especially
when on a loose surface or wet roads. For what it's worth, my 300c Hemi is
exactly the same, seems to be a "hemi thing" lol. On the 300c, there is a
procedure for throttle pedal calibration which helped a bit - ignition on
but do not start, slowly and smoothly depress the throttle pedal all the way
to the boards and slowly back again, then ignition off. Whether this would
do anything on the Ram I do not know.
OK, I got mine on the highway today (yea,I don't have to drive much!)
and I'm going to have to agree, it is sensitive with little to no
free-play in the wheel when heading down the highway. More like a
sports car than a truck. I must be fairly used to it because it
doesn't bother me any... <g>
It is a DODGE trait, their power steering is great around town but turns
a handful on the highway, you must make very small corrections on the
freeway or you change lanes.
My 08 Nitro with 8000 miles does it, didn't even realize it until I was
it on vacation on the highway, I doubt if there is a damn thing you can do
to reduce the sensitivity of their power steering. They have been built
this for years.
Suddenly, without warning, PlowBoy exclaimed (10/15/2009 8:47 AM):
> that is what I thought would be a consensus
Well, not quite, since I don't think my '01 4x4 Dakota is twitchy at
all. I seem to remember when I was researching the truck, that it
"drove like a car", and that I thought the same when I test drove it
originally, so it might be a difference in perception.
It's definitely a lot more sensitive than the hubby's new Jeep Wrangler,
that's for sure.
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