In Canada at least, you a WRONG.
Customers cars are first. Those with any sign of stiffness get
priority. Then come sold cars on dealers lots, then dealer inventory.
New cars are unlikely to have a problem as it is a "combination of
wear and humidity" that is causing the problem. This whole thing is
being blown WAY out of proportion.
And the "braking" problem on the Hybrids???
Do you realize FORD has had to reflash the code on some of their
hybrids for the same problem?? Switching from regen to friction brakes
is NOT seamless, so the "impression" of reduced breaking is there.
Not a safety issue at this point as far as anyone knows - but
definitely a "driveability" type problem.
You've OBVIOUSLY never driven through Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver.
Never driven the 401 between London and Whitby either - particularly
between Kitchener/Cambridge and the DVP (Hwy 404)
On 1/27/2010 6:36 AM, iluv my kitties and family wrote:
That's what they get for assembling in America. American workers suck.
Union and non union. America deserves the fourth world status they will
soon have. All the money is in communist hands and we gave it to them.
We bought cheap, (read foreign made) and it has now, irreversibly come
back to bite us on the ass.
Get real! American parts my a$$. Toyota screwed up, get us to it.
Parts are made by suppliers to the manufactures specs, no matter who are
where they are made. Aygo and Yaris made in Europe and Camrys and Avalons,
made in Japan as also recalled. Philippe Boursereau, spokesman for Toyota
of France says, "The total number of models potentially under recall for
Europe is still under evaluation," as well.
That number was from the USA Today report. It turns out that Toyota
actually knew in 2004!!!!
Toyota, UNSAFE AT ANY SPEED
Where's Ralph Nader? This is worst than the Corvair, it's all toyota's for
How many needless death's have occured that we may never know about?
How many innocents have been killed or maimed due to corprate greed?
It's a company that had a known defect for years and years and yet they
knowingly still unloaded their unsafe vehicles on an unsuspecting public
while touting great safety to the unsupecting public.
The key thing here is that Toyota was pro-active in issuing the recall
which they were not legally required to do (but the stop sale order is
something that they likely would have been ordered to do if they hadn't
done so voluntarily). If you look back on _far_ more serious safety
recalls on Ford and GM products, those companies were forced, kicking
and screaming, to do safety recalls, which led to consumers abandoning
them en-masse, essentially forever. You would hear these consumers
complaining about rental cars, and there company's fleet cars, where
they had no choice but to have a GM or Ford.
It's one thing to fight a recall that is not safety related (i.e.
excessive oil burning) that doesn't have a direct impact on safety. I
remember VW fighting the recall on some their water-cooled engines where
valve stem seals had a problem, though eventually they capitulated.
Consumers are pretty reasonable. If they buy a product that turns out to
have a problem, and the manufacturer fixes the problem without a hassle,
then they're likely to continue as a loyal customer. The reason the U.S.
vehicle manufacturers got into such trouble is that they were so
arrogant that you still here the familiar story of "I bought a (GM,
Ford, Chrysler) once--never again." Toyota and Honda understood that the
key to a long term business plan was to keep selling more product to
happy repeat customers.
Ford seems to be turning around, and hopefully they'll adopt Toyota's
attitude the next time they encounter a problem like this.
This is pretty much BS. Toyota had a choice - issue a "voluntary" recall or
have NHTSA issue a mandatory one. If you wait till you have a gun to your
head to volunteer to do something, it is self serving BS to claim you are a
good guy for doing it. This is not a new problem. Toyota has been aware of
it for years. Only after multiple death and a lot of negative publicity and
NHTSA threats did Toyota do anything "voluntarily." This has been Toyota's
standard operating procedure forever. Look back over history - rusting
frames, bad ball joints, defective suspensions, etc.,etc. Toyota does
nothing until public pressure or NHTSA forces them to do so.
At least in recent history, this has not been true for Ford. Ford and NHTSA
administration agreed that only few vehicle merited recall for the cruise
control switch problem, but Ford has pretty much recalled them all. Or the
Firestone tire recall. Ford recalled all the bad tires even when Firestone
tried to weasel out. I don't have much experience with GM, so I can't
comment on the GM recall history, but I suspect it is far better than you
think. And if you would look through the NHTSA database I think you'd find
that Toyota is far worse than either Ford or GM. I have no idea how they
have created this perception that they are good guy when they have one of
the worst histories of responding to Customer Complaints of any company
selling cars in the US.
And GM does? Or Ford?
Replacing ball joints and steering racks and inner tie-rod ends on GM
Front Drive vehicles has been a "profit center" for dealerships and
general repair garages for years.
Sam,e with the sloppy "rubber" steering linkage parts on Fords.
Perhaps because people are more likely to COMPLAIN about a (percieved
or real) problem with a Japanese car than a domestic???
Not saying it is so - but a very good possibility.
People buying American iron have come to expect some problems, while
owners of Toyotas and other "quality" imports have come to expect NO
problems. When problems occur, it is BIG NEWS.
I think the opposite is true. Toyotra owners have deluded themselves
in to putting up with mediocrity and liking it. The little old lady a
two doors down was having trouble getting her Corolla started a couple
of days back. I went over to help. It was obvious the problem was the
typoical bad contacts in the starter solenoid that it seems all Toyota
eventually suffer from. I was able to get the car started and
sugggested she take it in and have the starter fixed (I know you can
just replace the contacts, but the dealer will probably replace the
starter - much more profit). Ths is about the fourth time in the last
four months something has been wrong with this car. And guess what -
she tells me how great the car isand how much she loves her Toyota. In
my opinion. even if the car never failed, it is a POS. It is was all I
could do to wedge myself intot he car to get it going. The paint is
faded, it uses oil, the interior is falling apart - yeah a great car -
NOT. But she thinks it is....Oh what a feeling.
I think Toyota owners have developed a religous belief that all Toyota
problems are minor and that things are much worse for the owners of
other cars. This delusions allows them to excuse sticking accelerator
pedals, failing balljoints, rusting frames, collasping suspensions and
just tell people how mcuh worse things would be if they owned another
Indeed. Plus, it appears that the floor mats and pedals are probably
not the extent of the issue. One TV report this weekend claimed that
the majority of fatalities reported to the NHTSA due to unexpected
acceleration in the last decade had nothing to do with either issue.
You can also find print reports discussing the same thing (
). Makes you want to know just how forthcoming Toyota has been.
Also, what is scarier, that they aren't fixing the actual problem or
that they don't know what it is? This is not an issue that suddenly
popped up late last year. If Toyota knows what the problem is, they
certainly could have been "pro-active" and issued a recall and updated
new models years ago. If not, then they don't know, which is bad, or
they have been avoiding a safety related recall and continuing to pump
out defective vehicles for years, which is even worse. Just glad our
new Prius is unaffected, for now, anyway...
Toyota is no different than almost every other huge company. The
bottom line comes first and big recalls don't help the bottom line.
Yeah, but you're (I can't BELIEVE I'm saying this!!!) rational.
A lot of people, esp those with their first Toyotas are going to remember
the time they bought a Toyota that could have KILLED them!!!
Those of us who have had them for years, trouble and near maintenance
free, can kind of excuse the company that has treated us so well for so
many years. The American car lovers will never forget, as will the owners
who bought their first Toyota based on popularity or another owner's
recommendation and got dumped on.
I had a Toyota Land Cruiser that had a couple of recalls. One was for a
problem with welds on the baffles in the gas tank. I can't remember what
the other one was for. I had no ill feelings toward Toyota that after
about ten years they found a problem that did not reveal itself for a
I had a lot more ill feelings toward Honda when they acknowledged a
design issue with the cruise control in my old CR-V, and then said that
they had no intention of solving the problem (even though the fix would
have not cost them all that much).
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