Almost every Toyota I've had has had one niggling issue, usually repaired
at Toyota's expense, or at a greatly discounted cost.
Usually once that was fixed the car was flawless thereafter.
A gas pedal sticking is actually a minor problem with an easy fix. I'd get
out the WD 40 and follow with silicon grease or something similar. And I
have when the old cable throttles have bound up thanks to NE winters.
But, some will make a mountain out of a molehill. Now, wanna talk about
Ford Pinto? Crown Victoria?
Get real! What do that have to do with Toyotas that are runaway? Those
were vehicle that were HIT by other vehicles, years ago? TODAY people have
and are dying riding in runaway Toyotas, or killed being hit by runaway
Toyotas, 19 thus far. Many more than died in CV or Pintos that were run
Today one must watch our for drunks, texters and TOYOTAS. ;)
You are correct, to a point. They have initiated this HUGE recall on
the basis of a VERY low number of confirmed complaints, for a defect
that ALWAYS gives a warning. These throttles are not suddenly sticking
open. They are getting progressively stiffer untill the return spring
can co longer overcome the increased friction.
As far as the "stop sale" order, that is a misnomer.
They are still allowed to sel the cars. HOWEVER - it is US Federal law
that a vehicle under recall CAN NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE CUSTOMER. This
has been law for YEARS.
Toyota went beyond the standard by shutting down PRODUCTION of the
affected vehicles to prevent a stockpile of defective undeliverable
vehicles that would need to be corrected before sale, making it easier
on the dealers and hopefully getting the customer vehicles looked
As for the "Totota knew about the bropblem back in 2004" argument, The
NTSC recieved numerous complaints of accelleration under one second in
duration - none of which could be substantiated.
If they had a problem in 2004 it was not caused by the same issue tyey
are dealing with now.
Personally, I am NOT COMFORTABLE with a drive by wire throttle system
that does not have a real good failsafe system to close the throttle
completely in case of malfunction.
It has been stated by others on this list that both linkage and "by
wire" throttles are included in this recall.
Can anyone confirm, by physically looking under the hood of an
affected vehicle and confirming it has a mechanical linkage, and
including the year and model???
It has been my understanding that all of these defective throttle
pedal assemblies are damped electronic throttles - and that it is a
damper related problem caused by moisture getting into the damper
assembly causing it to bind.
Cable or linkage type throttles do NOT have a damper in them.
ALso, this is being blown WAY out of proportion.
A very specific set of conditions has to exist for this throttle
problem to manifest itself - and it is NOT a sudden onset issue.
It is unfortunate that there have been several supposedly related, yet
totally separate, issues surrounding Toyota throttles in the last
short time - including "stupidity" relating to floor mats, This "rare"
throttle binding issue, and a "possible but unconfirmed" less than 1
second throttle application first reported, but unsubstantiated, back
As for bad news, this is pretty bad. There are also a few nutcases
who want to spin this news in a positive manner for some reason, even
claiming Toyota was being "pro-active" with a recall. So much for
that lol. According to reports today, it sounds like the 2010 Prius
is next, so we'll be a victim, too.
I had CNN on yesterday and they spent hours (at least it seemed like
hours) talking about the Toyota recalls. They had one guy that must
have been working for Toyota. He was essentially spouting the Toyota
BS about how good they were to stop selling the cars and never
mentioned that NHTSA essentially said you stop selling these cars or
we will make you. They even interviewed a dealer who repeated the
whole BS line about how no car company but Toyota would have stopped
selling car in this manner. Of course this is total BS. I am sure he
knows that government regulations prohibit selling cars subject to
safety recalls, but I suppose the Toyota play book encourages dealers
to lie. This is the sort of Toyota BS that drives me crazy. It is bad
enough that they spent 3 years trying to cover this problem up, but
now they are trying to pretend that screwing their Customers is a good
On the other hand, I do think there is a major over reaction by the
press to this issue. The way the press is reacting, you would think
Toyotas were running wild on the highways. I haven't seen one out of
control yet. This is at least as bad as the Explorer Firestone Tire
fiasco. When that was big news I got mad because the press never once
compared the rate of Explorer rollover accidents to other similar SUVs
(Explorers were near the top in terms of safety, not at the bottom as
the press reports might lead one to believe). For this Toyota throttle
issue, I think the press should be presenting comparisons to other
manufacturers vehicles. They have no problem combing through the NHTSA
database to count up the number of complaints against Toyotas. Why
aren't they giving us comparable numbers for other manufacturers? I am
confident every manufacturer sees unintended acceleration complaints.
It may be that Toyota has more than others (corrected for number of
vehicles sold) or not. It would be nice to know whether they do or
To be sure, I am glad to see the press highlighting Toyota attempts to
cover-up this issue. In fact, I think they need to go back and refer
to past cases where Toyota tried to deceive the public and HNTSA about
significant safety issues. A little exposure on past problems might
finally alert people to Toyota's less than stellar concern for their
Customers. I have never understood how Toyota managed to convince
people that their cars were especially good. For the record, I don't
think Toyotas are especially bad. I just get tired of the "how great
they are BS" some people spout. Some are good, some aren't. Some have
problems, some don't. My SO and family members all have Toyotas. All
are decent vehicles that were selected because they provided a
desirable set of characteristics, and except for one, none were
selected solely because they were Toyotas (the SO probably bought hers
primarily because it was a Toyota, but otherwise, the Toyotas were
selected because they seemed like the best balance of features and
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