GM Downsizes 100,000 Mile/5 Year Warranty

If we calculated our last Buick's fuel economy in Imperial gallons, we would have gotten 31 mpg in highway driving.

If we calculate our Avalon the same way, we get 38.4 mpg.

I am sure GM makes some models that get better than this. It is very hard to make meaningful calculations and comparisons across model and equipment lines.

And, as I conceded the other day, not everyone is impressed with economy. Pickup trucks are the desired vehicle here, and they will probably stay that way until fuel goes up to the $4-5 per US gallon.

What does that matter? The fact is, Toyota knew about the problem, and covered it up for a decade. The same thing you hate GM for.

Agreed, though that wasn't my point. My point was I have never seen or heard of this problem, or many other Toyota recalls I found when doing a google search. Yet, when GM has a recall, it's all over the news.

I dont know what the details are, nor what Toyota had recalled.

On a truck that old, suspension and steering components could be worn or damaged. The liability and responsibility need to be established before the noose is tied. If it is Toyota's fault, then go for them.. If it were caused by an "intervening event" (such as improper repair, a damaging accident or similar) then the case may not be so clear.

The article states that Toyota has known about the defective parts since

Admittedly, recall information should be broadly disseminated, regardless of which entity is envolved.

The car is 18 years old if it is a 1991.

I dont really care who made the car. Apply the law.

Agreed.

Your not reading HLS. The car was 4 or 5 years old when Toyota found out about the problem.

Agreed.

I dont know when Toyota found out there was a problem. It might be relevant legally, but the vehicle - which I suppose has never been modified to relieve the recall - is some 18 years old.

If there were a critical recall, then the owner should have been notified. I dont know who the owner of record is or was. If the car were sold one or more times, I would imagine that the recall is unduly delayed.

I just dont know. None of this should bear any relevance. If the car were faulty, then the present owner should be found and any due remedy should be applied.

With all due respect HLS, did you even read the article? Everything you question is right in it.

On that point I agree entirely. What I was talking about is how Toyota covers up recalls just like you hate GM for.

That is not exactly my feeling for GM. They made a lot of junk -knowingly- and made no attempt to make it good.

The same thing Toyota has done ;)

Uh, not quite.

Really? Does the term "engine sludge" have and meaning to you? ;)

Of course not, because it's Toyota, and not GM. Open your eyes HLS. Toyota is no better then GM when it comes to hiding problems.

Hiding problems is one thing. Continuing to build cars year after year with the same problems is another. GM didnt try to fix their problems, and their actuarial mathematics probably paid off.

I know of two incidents with Toyota which were definite problems but which they dealt with and fixed.

I can name our traditional list that GM knew about, did not deal with, and refused to fix.

That is my point. Toyota continued to build trucks with that defect for a few years, totaling more then 1 million vehicles with a *known* *safety* defect. GM's 3800 motors had a defect that could cause your wallet pain. This Toyota truck defect caused death's. Which one would you pick? In other words, neither company is better then the other.

If you caught me buying a pickup, you could call the asylum and have me committed. In other words, the truck reference to me has no meaning. I would not buy one in any case.

So, because you wouldn't buy a truck, we should forgive Toyota for the deaths of innocent people? Your hatred knows no bounds, HLS. Why can't you just admit Toyota (in this case) is no better then GM?

A majority of Toyota automobiles ARE better than GMs presentations over the past 3-4 decades.

If Toyota management has done things that have caused loss of lives, then they should be punished severely. People should go to jail.

Same for GM.

I still wouldnt buy a pickup, Knight. I now use my FILs Sonoma.. What a piece of s*it that is!