Yea well, that is probably gonna end up being a very wrong answer. I
and others answered your question by saying 'yes' its time for a fluid
AND filter change. Apparently you didn't want good advice and believed
the man with the machine. Good luck with that.........! Oh well,
transmissions are probably cheap where you live. Don't worry about
That's a REAL long test!
I just got a complete transmission fluid change. 120 Kkms.
A flush and a pan drop. The only way to get it totally changed.
The dealer recommended a few flushes each 30Kkms, then the full
I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few miles
in various temps and driving conditions and the trans worked perfectly with
no problems. I now feel comfortable in recommending the Snap On trans flush.
If you hadn't had it flushed, it would still have worked perfectly with no
problems. Your pan still has sediment in it and your filter is still dirty.
Your recommendation isn't worth the bandwidth used to post it.
Why dont you get some edumacation and learn about how a recirculating flush
works. If it wasnt legit do you think the Buick/Pontiac Dealership would be
using them? The circulation flush works with the engine running agitating
the sediment in the pan into the fluid and removed.
Actually, I hope not. If you think about it that principle of operation
would be quite disastrous to a normal running tranny. Agitating the
particulates in the tranny pan by running the engine would circulate them
during normal driving, as well. I would not want that. Agitating
particulates for the purpose of running them through the closed loop system
in the hope of capturing them in an external device is risky at best. The
Snap On device will capture what makes its way to it, but stirring that
stuff up (if indeed the Snap On flush is capable of doing that...) will
certainly result in the stuff getting spread throughout the system and
caught in the system - not the flush system. But... even giving the benefit
of the doubt to the Snap On system, it's not going to get the stuff out of
the filter and it's not going to get the metallic particulates that are
captured by the magnet. There's only one way to address those two factors.
Dealerships very often use what is convenient for them and not always what
is best for your car. Sorry, but it's a hands down no-brainer that to
remove the pan and filter, and to manually clean the pan and replace the
filter, followed by a normal flush using just the tranny pump as the flush
pump, is going to give you a far better flush and replacement process than
the Snap On system is giving you.
Dave is right - you are leaving a dirty filter in your car. And you are
leaving the stuff in the pan. To each his own, and the flush job you got
did at least flush out the most of the fluid in your car, but don't place
blind faith in things that you clearly don't understand. Though it is fast
and convenient, it's *not* the same as a manual job.
Our independent transmission shops recommend AGAINST just doing a flush
without having the fan dropped and filter replaced FIRST on any
transmission that has more than 30K since the last full filter, flush
If the flush is performed regularily, i.e. every 10-15K, then the
tranny shop I use says it is ok not to replace the filter until the
third time to flush it out, 30K-45K. The reasoning is that the regular
flushes keep most of the particulate crud out of the fluid and the
magnet on the pan collects the little remainder and holds it in place.
In addition the ones that use the 'smart' computers to adjust the shift
point as the fluid characteristics change would need a transmission
computer relearn performed with each change.
FYI we had a '95 Chrysler minivan 4 spd transmission serviced by this
shop using the second of the above methods and it made it over 200K
before needing the first rebuild. $50 flush & tranny relearn every
15K, Fluid and filter at each 45K, did need on repair around 100K of a
relay pack for the transmission ~$350 repair. Far less than the $2000
typical rebuild most people were needing around 90K.
The Snap-on Fluid exchanger Flush ia a viable alternative option for fluid
change. It may not be perfect but neither is dropping the pan and doing a
power flush. Depending on how long you let your transmission changes go
depends on a lot. For instance a power flush for real dirty fluid can be
bad. The snap on exchanger can be good to use if you have real dirty fluid.
I somtimes suggest doing the S-O fluid exchange then drive it and make sure
it runs fine then later on 10k miles or so change it again by dropping the
pan and adding a clean filter.
I agree thats a safe way to go with really dirty systems because if you just
drop the pan and change the fluid you will just recontaminate the fluid with
the dirty fluid in the converter. We dont use the the Snap on but use
another brand that does the same exact thing which exchanges the old fluid
for the bad including the converter fluid. We also make the same suggestion
and tell them to come back in 10-20k miles for a pan flush and filter
change. So far no complaints of transmission failures from this machine, if
we had lots of complaints we wouldnt use it or we would be out of business.
It never ceases to amaze me when someone goes to the trouble of posting
a question, gets the correct answer but doesn't follow it. Not one
person here has profit in mind when answering questions, yet it is the
man whose mind is on profit that rules the outcome. A ignorant way to
do things, but 'A fool and his money are soon parted'. This WJW guy is
obviously a boob and now that he's flaunted good advice/knowledge, he
gets all-defensive with his postings. I wonder who will get the last
laugh? The not-for-profit advice givers, the Buick/Pontiac dealership,
or wjw......this doesn't even need a vote, does it?
Quick Google news search shows you as being an asshat. Either fix it right
or give it to someone that will. "If it wasnt legit do you think the
Buick/Pontiac Dealership would be using them" They don't. Nor does any
Pontiac dealer recommend such a thing. As usual you are talking outta your
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:28:03 -0500, "Worthington J. Wilmington"
my strategy is to drain and fill trans fluid at about 10K, then every
30 K I open up the pan and clean the gunk off, replace the filter and
clean the magnet. I know I won't replace ALL the fluid in there, but a
part of it is replaced and due to the more frequent changes I do keep
a pretty clean fluid. I don't use any fancy fluids either, just
whatever meets the specs. MY motto is that new fluids is better than
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