Me three. I was talking to a new guy at work today and he said he used to go to government auctions and see crated Jeeps for auction. The military Jeeps are still available even now. Wow. Well if I ever get the right timing together with some cash I want to see if I can grab one before they are all gone.
After reading the link that was posted my Mr. NC,
I like!!
Which one would ya like Nate!
Mike
98 TJ SE
your expressed opinion on 4 vs. 6 in a post that i can link to.
What, he lifted it over his head?
It's a Jeep thing, Joshua, you STILL don't understand.
Hey, isn't that L.W. (or whatever his *real* name is...) standing next to it?
Jeez! Why would you even want to? :-P
Well, just to name a few, off the top of my head:
1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer made, such as 8-cyl engines
5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few: Airbags, ABS, IFS.
Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
..and this has to do with offroading HOW??????
V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry. New paint?? Oh, come on!
Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate, it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go off at higher speeds than are found offroad.
I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
You can still buy actual Military Jeeps in a few parts of Asia. I believe you can get them in the Philippines as well. I can ask some friends I have over there if you really want one but shipping to the US is really expensive. The only $50 Jeep you are going to get is the label that says "Jeep" or "Willys". I've heard Vietnam also has quite a few that can be had pretty cheap but not for $50
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says it all really.
Another quality, mature response from twaldron.
Yes, it's actually 100% true.
Cheaper to inspect license, easier to maintain & lower vehicle weight due to no need to keep all emissions equipment, and about a dozen other reasons, take your pick.
Of couse they are.... please defend your ridiculous assertion. You can start by explaining why so many folks on this newsgroup have upgraded to 8-cylinders or why it is such a popular/sought after mod if it is no better than an I6. I am sure we would all love to be enlightened by your expertise in this area, and we will all feel quite silly for getting 8s when we should have checked with you first and got a 6. (Would a 4-cylinder be even better, in your humble opinion?)
YOU come on. That's just common sense and everyone knows it. When you see someone with those magnetic armor things, or avoiding trails because of risk of body damage or paint scratches, 99% of the time it is a late model rig.
Ahem. Libertys are jeeps. My original post referred to the entire line of jeeps, old to new. It seems you are so eager to pick a fight that you're not even reading the actual messages before you leap into a childish diatribe. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.
Again, another mature and productive statement which enhances the quality of this newsgroup...
Oh? How do you know? Didn't you buy your "CJ" already set up for trails? So how do you know if it's "easier" to modify? Have you put 35's on your TJ? What if you don't want to modify it, after all you were talking about stock, unmodified vehicles.
And this has to do with off-roading in what way?
That's up to the individual, isn't it, not you? I guess you weren't too concerned about scratching your TJ when you couldn't get it unstuck with your ATV winch. Are you still grounded?
Again, what does that have to do with off-roading? Why is an older, carbeurated V8 "better" than the modern 4.0L I-6
Where do you come up with this dreck? You been dipping into Bill's Vicodin?
"easier" is relative, and "modify" is insignificant here since your original argument is "stock unmodified jeeps". even still, you statement is incorrect. there is no major difference in working/modifying either.
i disagree. the tj has only gotten easier to work on over time (dropping the distributor, dropping the cam position sensor, better components such as the 3550, etc). i would much rather pull a code and replace a sensor than attempt to diagnose a carter thats acting up.
aside from being irrelevant (your statement was "stock unmodified jeeps") id say putting tires larger than 35's on _any_ swb jeep is a large project. todays long arm lifts have come a long way and i dare say i could install one with equal time/tools/ease as doing an SOA + lift or SUA + lift on a leaf sprung variant.
older as in pre 75, but what does that have to do with offroad capability?
but owner reluctance has nothing to do with offroad capability.
id love to have a v8 engine for that deep throaty growl coming over a set of flowmasters......but that has absolutely nothing to do with offroad capability.
airbags arent a problem off road, abs is optional, and IFS isnt available any tj yet (look at the subject line).
youre misguided here a bit joshua, and ive a feeling many others will tell you the same thing only in harsher terms. what type of jeep do you own anyway?
youre off base here joshua. you are basing your statement on _stock_ vehicles as prefaced in your original statement. for starters:
1) the stock 4.0 inline 6 produces more power than the stock 304 v8 _ever_ did. thats right, the _most_ the 304 ever produced was 150hp. that was down to 125hp in '80 and thats LESS than todays 4 cylinder (147hp) joshua. the numbers are clearagain, driver reluctance has nothing to do with off road capability.
says who? :-)
youll get it......it just takes awhile.
Putting anything larger than 35 on a CJ, YJ, or TJ is lunacy for most people. The Jeeps that carry larger tires are hardly even recognizable as ever being a Jeep.
It is actually much easier to do this sort of mod on the new vehicles than the older ones, ESPECIALLY if one must use off-the-shelf parts because they do not have the specialized fabrication skills to make this kind of thing work.
While this is true, the vehicle must be over 30 years old to enjoy such an exemption. Coupling this with the desire to add 35" tires, then the fabrication skills of the project manager must be greater, or the checkbook must be heavier.
While this is true, you live a very protected life. There are many TJs on the trail with nary a straight panel on them.
Big whoop.
If one is inclined to put 35" tires on a TJ, he is able to drop a V8 under the hood. The new models have WAY more accessories available than the older CJs have.
AIRBAGS Not a problem for offroading. They don't deploy at offroading speeds, and if they do, you probably need them. They can be defeated by pulling two fuses.
ABS Not a problem for offroading. They can be defeated by pulling a fuse. ABS offers huge advantages while on the street where even offroaders tend to travel on occasion. The owner of a TJ can pull the fuse and leave it out, or he can pull it then put it back in. A really inventive YJ owner, one that can actually get 35s to work, and the V8 to fit, might even put in a switch to turn the ABS system off and on.
IFS This is a horrible option for an offroad vehicle. Thank God, TJs don't have this yet, and therefore IFS isn't a consideration for this particular buyer.
MY HUMBLE OBSERVATION For a 16 year old kid, you sure have alot to say about stuff you haven't got a clue about.
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