6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????

HA! I had a 258 in an AMC Gremlin, and with a Clifford split header, Offy manifold and 4bbl and uncorked with the throttle wide open that car sounded downright dangerous. Also took out a lot of v-8 Mustangs and Camaros in a stop light to stop light situation. Got about 26 miles to the gallon, too, if I could keep the back barrels shut :-)

-- Old Crow 24 hours in a day... '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl' 24 beers in a case... '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande Co-incedence? I think not. ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1 TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM

Travis, The 304 is probably a better choice in an older CJ. I understand, though, that the 4.2L can be retrofitted with 4.0L heads and fuel injection which should give more power, reliability, and fuel economy. I'd be inclined to get the 304 unless the 4.2L was *much* cheaper.

They seem to be making themselves into a pain in *everyone's* a$$ recently, don't they? Nate, any word on Dennis' situation?

ive emailed dennis a couple times and got the mail back saying "mailbox is full". ill try again.

With fuel injection and a header, the 6 can put out more power than the 304 without this stuff. Basically, my message is that you are spending way too much effort on the V8 thing. And, the 6 will come with a 4 spd trans that the V8 won't have. I don't know why they ever used that 3 spd, or any 3 spd for that matter, behind the 8, and chose a 4 spd for the 6. I don't know why they did that, but they did. It seems logical that the 4 spd behind the V8 could be an option, but I don't know that it was or not.

Another point that I have been trying to make is that horsepower isn't all that critical for trail rides, and crawling. It is extremely important for powering through mud bogs, which is intensely entertaining but is really a niche form of fun, and very useful when passing on the freeway. What you really want more than hp is massive amounts of torque at idle speeds. The I6 makes about 85% of its torque at around 1000 rpm. With the right set up on the 6, you can have in excess of 225 ft lb of available torque, with 190+ ft lb delivered at idle. This is a huge consideration, and you seem to be ignoring it. The trick to offroad travel is not brute strength, it is finesse. OK, brute strength has its attraction, but - personally - I never hit an obsticle with brute strength first. I think that brute strength is highly over rated in an offraod machine. When we go to rock crawling championships, the front runners in the competition frequently have 4 bangers.

All I am saying is, if the right CJ comes along, don't pass it up just because it has a 6. A quality frame and body with a 6 is a much better buy than a "well used" body and frame with an 8. If you find a good CJ with an

I think your focus is misdirected, that's all. You should be looking for good condition of the body and frame, and no leaks. If you can find all of this, and the motor is a 6, then jump on it. If the motor is an 8, then BONUS.

Double Ditto, and I'll raise you a Me Too.

Mental note to self, try not to attract Nathan, he might want to love on me ...

I'll see your "Me Too" and raise you a "Me Three".

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:02:53 -0400, "TJim" shared the following:

I'm probably going to just run with whatever wheels/tires it comes with for a while because I won't have the $$$ to put anything else on it. From the reading I've been doing and the feedback I've gotten out here, when I run out of tread and/or save up enough money I'll probably go with 33" tires.... And a 20" lift! JUST KIDDING. (about the lift part ;-)

-- Travis

What's with the obsession with power? Is this just a Tim the toolman Taylor "ugh! more power!" thing? Unimogs only make 95 HP, and are pretty much unstoppable off-road. It's not the power, it's the torque and the gearing. If you wanna pass people on the highway, buy a Corvette, or Porsche, or Ferrari. If you want to kick rocks off-road, it's all about the low end. Right?

Approximately 10/17/03 17:58, Brian uttered for posterity:

Wrong.