This might not have been a good idea, but...

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:52:39 -0800, L.W.(ßill) Hughes III shared the following:

I was there. You weren't. I didn't lie at all about what happened. I'm genuinely sad for you if you're too senile to understand that. I thought my Jeep was going over. I *did* stop it from going over. I guess I'm just a little tougher that you ever were, Billy. :-) Deal with it.

-- Travis

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 00:24:16 GMT, "D McMorris" shared the following:

Thanks, Daren. I can't help getting a little defensive when um... I WAS THERE and I know what happened and someone tries to say I'm full of crap. Like I said, I have a witness to the whole thing, too. I think part of the reason I may be as defensive about this one was that it was the first time I've ever really gotten SCARED doing this stuff. I really thought I was gonna break a few bones at a minimum as a result of this predicament. I never claimed to be a pro at offroading. I *do* claim that my word is good and if I say that the damned Jeep was this ----->

-- Travis

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:35:46 -0500, "Jay Stuler" shared the following:

I was going to answer this but I see a few others have already jumped in and answered for me. Thanks, y'all.

-- Travis

Wow Travis! Glad to see you made it out ok! Although I don't think I would have done what you did, I understand the

Every spring when I bring the MC out from the 6 month winter hibernation, I put my foot out at least 2 or three times in the first week to try and *catch* myself.

Glad you're ok.

Mike

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 17:13:58 -0800, L.W.(ßill) Hughes III shared the following:

Yeah. Where were you when I needed you, you old fart? :-)

-- Travis

Which may not be long, as Travis likes to live dangerously! ;)

Travis, Nate's not talking about the hill climb and all, he's talking about sticking both your legs out of a rolling jeep. You could have lost both your legs. I'll bet that you wouldn't have considered that a good trade: CJ5 for two legs. Please, please! Never do that again! Sure you would be extremely disappointed if you lost your CJ, but you can get another CJ.

OK, I tried to tell you about him, but did you listen? Noooooo... ;-) LOL

Travis, How did you get your CJ all catty-wompus with those ruts in the first place???

ROFLMAO!!

...even on flat ground, the "roll" bar folds, the windshield crushes, and the ground pays you a real "personal visit". If you're going to do this in the future, have a custom roll cage built. You won't be sorry. (You may be sorry if you don't)

Wait a minute, as defined by Bill, "Real Jeeps" don't have roll bars, do they?

No, you just called them heroes. I simply stated the actions they took. I have to agree with some of the other posters that this situation could have turned out bad. But all of us have done something, that in hind sight was a bad decision (sticking our legs or arms out). Bill I just called your statement ridiculous, regardless of what we think is right or wrong, the FACT is that people get involved. And YES they do try to grab a vehicle to stop a roll. And if you don't think that one 200lb man can stop a Jeep from rolling then you have not watched a single EROCC, UROC, or NUROC competition. Take a look at the guy on the tow strap, he is the life line of the rig. Now that is the safe way, jumping on the bumper is not. However, it DOES happen and it DOES work.

Daren

By "you" I guess you're referring to "him" and not "me". Yes of course a full roll cage is the way to go but he said replace it with a roll "bar". I was wondering what the difference is between one roll "bar" and the stock.

Hmmm... you're right! They have flat head 4s, too. And they can't exceed

Jay Stuler did pass the time by typing:

Yep

Never actually looked. Most of the aftermarket parts look to be made of larger stock with more cross bracing.

Travis: This group has an asshole or two who really give Jeep enthusiasts a bad name. I believe your story as you posted it, and I am happy it all turned out OK. However, I would imagine you had to change your pants afterwards....