Why Jeeps suck.

Why do you think owners of Jeeps, Land Rovers (and everybody else who goes offroad) buy offroad armour before they go on rocks ? What did you think you were buying ? A Tank ? Although I have never driven a Liberty (and dont particularly like them), I am sure they will do just great in your average muddy track ; just dont bash them off boulders.

Jeeps don't get stuck - people do.

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

You bought a Liberty. What do you expect? Jeeps are GREAT off-road. A KJ bears the Jeep badge, but doesn't qualify as a "Jeep" in the way most people talk about them.

Before talking off-road prowess with a sale-guy, I'd insist on seeing his vehicle and pics of it on a trail somewhere. Otherwise, I'd know he was just blowing smoke.

This is beautiful, but I have some questions.

Ken, are you a Liberty basher who made this all up to "dis" DaimlerChrysler Corporation?

If this is all true, then where did you learn to drive? I have seen Honda CRVs on the "intermediate" to "expert" trails above Silverton, CO, where I live. These are by no means hard core rock crawling trails, but definitely qualify as "off-road," at least in my book. You gotta watch what's in front of you and feel what's underneath, and then you won't go losing your exhaust system like you did.

Earle

so I let the dealer talk me into

I wouldn't have a go at Moab with a stock Anything. Everheard of walk before you "crawl"?

I got stuck repeatedly. I

No, you're ridiculous. sorry.

I protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I

If the sales guy was honest, he'd have told you "NOT to be ridiculous", BEFORE he sold you the Liberty.

These Jeeps are not

He means Liberty.

You'll probably sell it for a lot less than you should too. Next time,how about researching the product before you go out to buy.

I don't mean to be harsh but you did provoke me with your subject line.

I wonder what kind of market there would be for a replacement for the Cherokee. I like mine a lot, and DC doesn't really have a new truck that fits my needs. A Liberty or Wrangler is too small for sleeping in, which I like to do, and a Grand is too expensive. The Cherokee was great for people that wanted a versatile, no-frills utility vehicle.

Monte Castleman, Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address

I thought about reading this thread, then I thought the better of it. Why bother? It's a blatant troll.

hell yes! it will be missed.

Rubicon is trailworthy from the git-go. Odds are for what you shoveled into that libby you could have had a real offroad vehicle with tons of capablity.

The same commercials that show a ZJ emerging from the bottom of a pond or the one that shows a pickup truck towing a CAT 450 Heavy Loader?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That says it all --------------/\

Apart from the light bar, the rest are NOT recommended accessories for off-roading. Especially silly tubular side steps as they reduce ground clearance by a good 4-5 inches. What the flop a hood cover has to do with offroading eludes me. Just more stuff to trap dirt against paint.

Then why didn't you buy a Rubicon?

They do that. Bet you didn't take a Jeep 101 class did you? Also bet you didn't go with any other folks and offroaded alone.

Libbies and Kias have a lot in common, both will go off-road and fit through some tight places FSJs can't. But neither is a hard-core offroad vehicle. Hell, some folks point out anything short of a rock-rail is not a "hard-core" offroad vehicle.

Suppose you didn't read here till you had the libby did you?

Let me put it this way, I offroad a basically stock ZJ. So far the trail has eaten a muffler, the back bumper, and a few nibbles off the rims.

It is perhaps best you don't offroad. As from what I've read you appear to be both a danger to yourself and others on the trail.

Guys Guys, This guy was Joking.......or at least he should have been....don't you think? There's one born everyday. Most any intelligent person would never buy into something like that without research..... Rich,

Don't start that crap again!!!!

What the heck trail did you start out on anyway??

Actually, I think it's more like 80% driver, 20% vehicle. If the driver knows what he/she is doing and knows his/her vehicle, the driver won't ask the vehicle to do things that are absolutely ridiculous and will probably get through the trails that are chosen with the vehicle's capabilities in mind.

TJim

Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product line?

So, Chrysler isn't resposnible for me believing what they told me? It's my fault that I should assume everything in their literature is bullshit and I didn't?

Fine. As I said, I will never again buy a DaimlerChrylser vehicle. Their E500 Sedan looks nice, but that is only if one assumes that they come with seats and an engine and paintjob. I woudln't want to make it MY problem that I bought the WRONG car, stupidly assuming that it acutally came with those parts just because it is shown in the commercials, expressed in their literature, and promised to me by the dealer.

No, and I drive just fine, thank you for asking.