Why Jeeps suck.

Approximately 8/13/03 22:06, Kenneth Garman uttered for posterity:

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Yeah, other than your choice of vehicle, trail, and driving tactics. Next time you are in Moab [or Green River] stop by the Jeep Posse and see if they have your picture plastered on the wall.

Nice detective work Jim... It did seem a little too stupid to be true... But you never know at least 10 percent of the population is unbalanced... Oh well, wonder what his next post will be... Frank Sawin

This has got to be the funniest thing I've seen on this group in a long time. :-)

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Apparently not old enough to remember that 64 chevy up on the butte in Monument Valley.

DAve

Mike Polo wrote:

Well personally I disagree

I got a 1995 cherokee, and in the Uk they are big compared to most vehicles.

I got in an RTA the other day, a smal rover 25. The Rover doing 40 mph hardly even moved the jeep. And ............. wrote off the Rover 25.

I know I wouldn't feel safer in any other vehicle..............and personally won't be buying anything smaller in future.

Germans drive fast and aggressively, Italians are essentially just Germans with less reliable cars. Japanese drivers aren't really all that bad, but you haven't lived dangerously until you've ridden in a "white" cab in downtown Seoul and told the female driver you are in a hurry and a big tipper. The good news is the local pedestrians seem not to mind sharing the sidewalk with a speeding cab.

As for the minivan you rented, did it come with that big electromagnet that pulls it right up to within a couple feet of the car in front of you?

Approximately 8/14/03 10:59, Joe uttered for posterity:

Are you the sort of person who would burn your mouth on hot coffee and sue, despite your common sense telling you to blow on it ?

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: > Jeep can't help it you bought the hype and didn't know what you were doing! : > You simply didn't research your selection and bought a poser. That was : > _YOUR_ mistake and _YOUR_ problem. YOU bought the WRONG JEEP! : : : So, Chrysler isn't resposnible for me believing what they told me? : It's my fault that I should assume everything in their literature is : bullshit and I didn't? : : Fine. As I said, I will never again buy a DaimlerChrylser vehicle. : Their E500 Sedan looks nice, but that is only if one assumes that they : come with seats and an engine and paintjob. I woudln't want to make : it MY problem that I bought the WRONG car, stupidly assuming that it : acutally came with those parts just because it is shown in the : commercials, expressed in their literature, and promised to me by the : dealer.

No wonder we won that war!

Do you belive everything a company claims about a product? Do you belive everything you see in a TV ad?

Do you really think in that old GMC commercial a 1 ton with a durmax desiel can haul a boat that weighs serveral thosund tons onto the shore?

Do they use a Ford Super Duty to help pull ice breakers through ice when they get stuck?

Can you stack furnature 30' high on the top of an old VW beetle like in the Ikea commercial?

Do electronic-ab machines really work?

Does pepsi really make old people start to dance and party like they did when they were younger? Does KIA really make a quality vehicle like they claim?

And what's really bad -- I tryed that herbal shampoo -- I even washed my hair and extra three times -- and not once did I break out into near orgasmic pleasure...

The liberty is what it is -- a decent mid-sized street SUV.. it can handle minor offroad use, but never was really ment to see serious off-highway use.

"Liberty's Jeep-engineered coil spring independent front suspension combines excellent overall ride, handling and precise steering control with Rubicon-tested capabilities. Professional driver. Do not try this yourself."

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: > This was your first problem.. you bought a car based suvee thing.. not a : > J**P... : >

: : Oh, that's just wonderful. Thank you so much for that insight. Can you : please refer me to where in the Chrysler catalog it points out that : the Liberty is any less capable than the rest of the jeep product : line?

They may have also neglected to mention that this was Rubicon Nebraska, a state known for less vertical change than your average snooker table.

Approximately 8/14/03 15:58, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:

Aw, c'mon, Bill... You can't blame that one on dyslexia! Admit it, your fingers got ahead of your brain this time... ;)

So what? I don't see what a broken down 30 year old AMC-built beater has to do with the situation on the new Liberty. Is there some secret rule here that you're only allowed to own one vehicle at a time?

I also don't understand why there is so much hostility and negative resposne to me here. What, are you all investors in the stock of Third Reich motors, err, I mean, Daimler Chrysler Corporation?

Maybe it is "obvious" to you blue collar people who have been raised as grease monkeys and could build your own jeep from some spare wiring and raw sheet metal, but the vast majority of the public buys a car for a specific purpose as advertised by the manufacturer, and can't change their own oil or flat tire, much less re-engineer the automobile to determine if it's appropriate for a particular use contrary to the manufacturer's statements. If I bought a truck, I would expect it to have a cargo bed. If I bought an economy coupe, I would expect it to get good gas mileage. When I bought a jeep, I expected it to be able to go off road.

Much has been made by the brainwashed Chrysler slaves here of how the Liberty is so much worse than the other jeep lines. Well even if that's true, how is the typical consumer supposed to know that? Yes, I know that all true jeep geniuses such as you people are born with the knowledge already programmed into their infant brains, but what about the rest of us mortals? The Liberty is proclaimed in all Chrylser publications as merely another member of the jeep line. All the commercials show it right along with hte Grand Cherokee and Wrangler, each climbing happily over rocks together. They even say in their literature that all JEep vehicles - Liberty included - are Rubicon capable. NOWHERE is it EVER pointed out that one jeep vehicle might be less capable than others.

No, it's just because you're an IDIOT!

And MOST people know that ALL advertising 'stretches' the truth...apparantly you're too stupid, though, and probably shouldn't be allowed out in public without a competent, responsible adult to babysit you.

Kenneth,

The hostility you are hearing is from the fact that your situation is surreal. You have an older Jeep, you've been in this group before, and you still bought a Liberty believing it was heavy duty off-road capable. Then you took it to one of the most challenging places and messed it up. Then you wanted Chrysler to pay for the damage.

It is your judgment being challenged. Personally, I do not intend this as an attack, I am simply stating this seems beyond belief.

Since you so passionately stick to the story I will assume it to be true. I bought a new Avalanche a year ago but the only off-road use it gets is when I tow my Jeep with it to the trailhead. I have heard of those taking it off-road and breaking them. It happens - an expensive mistake.

I guess it comes down to the information as it was presented to you. The collective wisdom of this group was outweighed by a commission-hungry car salesman.

Jim

In nursing school this is what they call "verbal non-verbal incongruency" in communication. "I drive just fine," but I had to leave my muffler on some trail in Moab...

Earle