Dropped valve on TD5

I´ll ask tomorrow.

An engine is fitted within 4 hours, nobody would pay 1000 pound for it. And if somebody does, there remains a further 1000 pound gap to the 4700 the OP was quoted.

Raoul

At main dealer rates 4 hours is about £360, however I very much doubt the book time (The time the authorised price guide says the job should take) is only four hours. I could easily believe them book timing that procedure at

12 hours which would easily account for a grand - Book times are a con, but that's what dealers use for their charging model.

P.

On or around Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:30:08 +0000, "Paul S. Brown" enlightened us thusly:

oh, I dunno.

Could you do a disco gearbox change in 6 hours? Bloody sure I couldn't.

from the disco I book, ref TDi engine. Times in decimal hours, as per.

12.41 ENGINE ASSEMBLY 12.41.01 Engine &ancilliaries -renew

5 Speed 07.45 Auto 07.75

12.41.01/20 Engine &ancilliaries -renew -air conditioning fitted

5 Speed 07.55 Auto 07.85

12.41.02 Stripped engine -remove engine,change over ancilliary equipment &refit

16.75

12.41.02/20 Stripped engine -remove engine,change over ancilliary equipment &refit -air conditioning fitted

16.85

12.41.03 Part engine;remove,rebuild &refit engine,does not include cylinder head(s)overhaul

21.45

12.41.03/20 Part engine;remove,rebuild &refit engine,does not include cylinder head(s)overhaul -air conditioning fitted

21.60

so for example... taking 12.41.02, say, and labour at mebbe £60 per hour... gets you near to a grand for labour.

I want your main dealer - the ones I've been near recently have been charging £88-92 an hour.

P.

Would you want to save money if you have a blown engine or do you want to spend as much as possible?

The OP told us that he was quoted 4700 and I told him that it should be possible to get this sorted for less quid. Not more. For me personally it doesn´t matter were or at which branch anybody wants to spend his money, I just wanted to point out, that there should be a cheaper option.

Raoul

Riiiight. So you'll be able to whip an engine out, remove & clean all the ancillaries, reassemble them onto a bare long engine, refit said engine, fill with necessary fluids and get it bled and running in 4 hours. I'll pay you 40 quid an hour to work in my workshop if you're that quick, and I daresay the other mechanics here will match that offer too.

On or around Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:51:31 +0000, "Paul S. Brown" enlightened us thusly:

I was guessing - never use 'em :-)

but if so, then the labour rates for a swapover are even higher.

Thanks, but I run my own workshop and for myself, I am not that fast. I can do it for a serious Land Rover if I am in hurry.

Raoul

Yes I agree with EMB

Serious being a Series Diesel with minimal ancilliaries? (Just being curious

- not sarcastic)

P.

The last time I changed an engine and gearbox it took us 6 hours alltogether. Two people, one just giving a helping hand.

Raoul

"Long" engines are more usually referred to as "stripped" engines these days.

Richard

Oh look - 12 hours of labour - right up where one would expect and considerably different to the 4 hours you were claiming you could manage.

So you've just admitted to dragging the chain so you can charge customers more. I hate dishonest mechanics whop load the bill up like that.

You are able to read?

Obviously not, cause I wrote about changing an engine plus gearbox from a series Land Rover which involves such little time consumers as pulling the seat box out of the car etc.

Are you, in any way, interested in helping the OP to solve his problem cheaper or are you just interested in consuming my time?

Raoul

Listen bugger, firstly I am no mechanic at all, secondly do we charge fixed prices which our customers koew before they start and third, if you dare to call me dishonest, come here and say it again, face to face. If not, get lost.

Raoul

It was a long engine, I asked him today. It was complete with head without ancilliaries and interestingly without injectors. I would have thought, that they would be included in a long engine.

Raoul

Injectors are never part of a Long engine the same as you would not expect an injection pump on a tdi long engine.

Td5 injectors are very expensive.

Normally I would have agreed anyway, but in the case of the TD5 injectors being pushed by the cam I thought they would have been in there as long as its a long engine complete with head. But keeping in mind that they are rather expensive, you are right, the would not be there in a million years ;)

Raoul