New Products: Koolant, Kleenant, Lubricant

How does this 'work'?

Ah, I remember seeing someone do this on Tomorrows World about 20 years ago!

I rmember reading something about these sort of products a while back in a motoring magazine, something to do with wetting agents.

A quick google turned this up

HyperCool High Performance Supercoolant increases coolant's ability to wet metal surfaces by reducing its surface tension. This allows coolant to conduct heat more effectively at critical liquid-to-metal interfaces inside cylinder heads and the radiator. The corresponding reduction in cylinder head temperature allows timing to be safely advanced without the threat of detonation, thereby increasing horsepower. Hypercool provides temperature reduction of approximately 5-7 degrees when run with coolant consisting of a

There's a few of these products on the market but I think the original one was a product called "Water Wetter" that seemed to gain favour in Rallying a few years ago. I first came across it when I was using a standard Series III 2.25 radiator to cool a V8 and was having some problems... Water Wetter was suggested as a possible solution.

IIRC it was claimed to do two things to improve heat transfer, it reduced the surface tension of the water allowing it to bond close with the metal around it and there was something about it reducing the size of air/oxygen bubbles betwen the water and metal so the contact area was increased.

I never tried it myself but I got quite a few strong recommendations from rally competitors who seemed to think it was the business. There was a stand at Billing a few years ago with a guy selling nothing but Water Wetter in both petrol and diesel variants (IIRC the diesel version didn't have the anti-corrosion additives ?).

It's also used as an additive for computer CPU cooling systems BTW.

Try a google for water wetter and you'll find loads of articles on it and similar products.

cheers

Dave W.

That is my understanding of how it works and the rallying world is where i have sold most so far though a few trials bike people have had some to try. The one I sell does have corrosion inhibitors in it and is for either petrol or diesel engines with no differenciation between them. It also has ( ny nature rather than added ) a lubricating effect that will benefit your water pump. I put some of my first stock delivery into my 110 Tdi which never overheats anyway! It always ran with the needle just touching the bottom of the normal marj - since adding the Koolant there is now a thin line of black guage between the needle and the matk..

It is never going to cure an engine with a cooling fault but as an aid to cooling when you are trying hard ( or towing ) it has obvious benefits and as detailed in one of the replies earlier in the thread can actually allow you to eek more power out of your engine.

David LLAMA 4x4

Has anybody tried it on a 101 yet? :)

Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy spammers from newsgroups?

I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there minds him advertising from time to time.

I for one find *you* much more irritating.

Not to my knowledge but it seems an ideal vehicle to try it on - the cooling system works but is on the edge and a little help might be handy... Email me and we may be able to sort out a sample for you....

David LLAMA 4x4

Just had a word with the foreman at the blenders and he reckons you use the same product as the one you would use to remove irrelevant quotes from signatures on the same NG's.

David LLAMA 4x4

Will email you shortly :)

I've got a 101 with a recored rad that still runs warm. Would be interesting to try it out.

I'm trying to sort out some data logging kit that i can use in the truck to give me some more reliable dashboard readings. so if you can give me a couple of months..

On or around Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:27:45 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4" enlightened us thusly:

'ere. My sig has random quotes. There are, I grant you, a few that don't fit in the "standard" 4X80 space. But only about 2 or 3 from I forget how many.

We've had this argument before now and the general concensus at the time was that occasional relevant adverts from people who provide frequent useful information to the group is acceptable. I would count David as one of those people.

(Note to people in uk.rec.cars.4x4 - I don't read that group so the previous paragraph could be complete nonsense for that group. It holds true for alt.fan.landrover though. The following is however valid for both)

If you don't want his post using up valuable space on your hard drive (which given hard drives cost around 50p per GB these days works out at

Regarding one of your other posts I would hope you can see the difference between an odd 5Kbyte on topic advert from someone who posts frequent helpful posts to the group and "the odd Gb or so" you mention. A factor of 200,000 in size is the first thing that jumps to mind...

Paul

On or around Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:19:33 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) enlightened us thusly:

I bet the LR group charter at least has a proviso for on-topic adverts, provided they're not repeated. the normal wording is not more than once a month, I suspect.

although personally, ICBA to look.

Indeed - as I have now managed to restore the 'normal' running temp in Grumble by way of putting a viscous fan back in, I'd be interested in how well it copes.

I may be interested in writing an independent evaluation if you want to do some horsetrading.

You know very little.

Think about this for a moment:

David Round is a regular contributor here. He is also - aside of any business concerns, a keen enthusiast and gives freely of his time, unpaid, in many envirm=onments. He does also run a little business Llama 4x4 - and will occasionally post - as here, that he has something others here may be interested in. This is a sort of infotisement, or adformation, and I don't find it an issue.

And I don't read advertising groups.

Now you're just being a little bit of a f****it. Mind, that's a right of passage, learn from it, live with it and try to get over it.

No hard feelings an all.

If you can give it some sensible tests it would be interesting to see the results! The next step on my 101 is probably heads off or waterpump if it wont cool down some.

If you can measure the temperature of the same journey before and after on days with the same sort of ambient conditions and see if it does owt it would be good.

Ah, someone not familiar with Dickens.

"It was only a little baby."

There's some differences between the 'Big 8' hierarchies which includes the general sewer known as 'alt' (with some obvious exclusions, obviously!) and the uk.* hierarchy. In general the uk usenet space is far better managed and maintained. The Charter for groups such as uk.rec.cars.4x4 will be proposed via an RfD (Request for Discussion) and may or may not include 'advertising is strictly forbidden' statements or, as you say above, welcome on topic advertising so long as certain conventions are followed (prefixing a subject with Ad: is one example).

Changing the Charter for groups in uk.* is also via an RfD and any changes will generally be put to a vote - in some cases an obvious and logical change may be subject to the Fast Track process, minor administrative changes can be made, after putting before the uk usenet committee, 'on the fly', although this is generally not needed.

My personal feeling is that the uk hierarchy works better than any other in this respect and structurally represents the users of uk usenet in a meaningful way - divest of the somewhat 'pointed' politics of alt creation.

Anyone who's interested in the uk hierarchy may like to see

So Mother"