why i wish I still had a Land Rover

Back-end of the jag is pretty heavy anyway, and with a full tank of fuel and full LPG... when I'm in scotland in a couple of weeks time the boot will be full of gear which will help.

-- Mark.

"nec aspera terrent"

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If you are getting forward motion with wheels spinning, thats traction. If you are getting forward motion without the wheels spinning thats grip.

though the spraying snow bit was pretty useless and happened as I slid to the edges of the road, was enough traction to continue forwards though.

-- Mark.

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4WD (mutter mutter mutter). High gear - well as high as practical, more important to be gentle with the throttle. Auto - again, gentle with the throttle, if you have a sport mode switch it off, if you have a winter mode switch it on. when not needing drive (downhill/slope) slip it into neutral seems to help. Difflock on if needed, conditions here on friday, definatly on.

-- Mark.

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On or around Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:32:45 +0000, Tim Hobbs enlightened us thusly:

and while you're all out playing in the land rovers...

remember, please - OK, you have 4WD and difflocks and it'll go where ordinary cars won't, but when it comes to stopping it mostly they weigh about 2 tons and there's no more grip to be had on icy stuff then auntie mabel's mini metro has.

serious point - it can be very hard to stop one of solihull's finest on slippery stuff. And don't rely on ABS to get you out of trouble, on really slippery going it still won't stop.

On or around Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:12:32 +0000, MVP enlightened us thusly:

if you ever get the chance, have a go on London Transport's bus skid pan... they don't let you drive it, unfortunately.

basically, (when I did it, at an open day at the Chiswick garage) you get on a routemaster, which then takes off, drives round 3 sides of a square and comes onto the skid pan at probably about 25 mph. The drive then causally knocks the handbrake on...

On or around Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:41:50 -0000, "Richard Brookman" enlightened us thusly:

who, me?

I love empty, snowy car parks...

once tried playing in the sierra 4x4 with it's viscous-coupled diffs in rear and centre, and 2/3 rear:1/3 front torque split. And by god, it's effective, on ordinary low profile road tyres.

I've had it driving up an icy hill which was slippery enough that the handbrake wouldn't hold it unless I rolled one wheel back onto the grass - I stopped to help a bloke in a FWD escort van, who, having come to a stop with wheelspin, got out leaving it idle in first and started pushing. I felt he deserved encouragement. Having pushed him 'til he was rolling again, i went back to the Ford, and it pulled away with minimum fuss and hardly any slip.

Must find the cash to sort it and get it back on the road...

Ditches and drystone walls aren't very friendly either but are not quite so expensive to repair. B-)

Tom Woods uttered summat worrerz funny about:

I know I had a full head of hair before the start of the shift ...now look...

;-) Piccy taken by my little man so no 9iss taking!

They did grit but then it rained damned hard then froze, hailed, sleeted, froze etc etc. The downfall was the location of the gritters refil sites and the inability once it all froze to get more grit out due to lots of people clogging up the roads. To say a few lessons were learned is an understatement. I've seen more salt since than ever before.

Yeah, I got so distraught I called Hugh ;-) and the team who managed to clear some major arterial junctions and get things moving again. Amazing how some simple unblockages can help.

I would like some real good snow that last for Months where we all have fun but no body gets harmed etc.

My daily drive is now a Renault laguna (Mrs D snaffled the Disco)... or the other choice is Morph.. H'mmm 3 ton of sliding green oval or a paper bag on wheels going no where. Sadly Percy is still awaiting his transplant.

Lee D

Bristol!!!! I have to go through from time to time. Before they messed up the roads round Temple Meads, you got into one lane and stayed in it and you were ok for Yeovil. Now, the lanes disappear halfway round junctions, the signs are misleading about which lane to be in and you never get to see the directions marked in the lanes becuase the traffic is permenantly queing for tha dammed lights every 20ft. Don't bame the drivers, blame the idiots who laid the roads out - as is the current trend, strangers are somehow expected to phsycic!

Richard

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Hehe, try driving round Yeovil itself when you don't know the roads..... a nightmare if ever there was one. (Got relatives there) Oh, and if that doesn't tickle your fancy, what about the High Wycombe gyratory system... last time I was there it was a roundabout made up of a lot of small roundabouts, but with traffic lights added for chaos production! My old home town of Falkirk would be a nightmare for anyone trying to pass through it if they hadn't a clue where they were going either, I think this bad road design seems to be endemic these days, the designers paying no real thought to what happens when the roads are busy. Badger.

I actually have a working landrover!!

I have noticed that all new roundabouts now seem to be getting very complicated. Do you often go round crewe? Those ones there have got very complicated now. 4 sets of lights round each one and multiple lanes that keep moving about. They also like labelling the lanes only with the road numbers. I can't be the only person who has no idea what half of the road numbers are for the roads i want to drive? I know where i want to go to though!

In article , beamendsltd writes

Drivers == voters. We get the governments we deserve - locally & nationally. If people don't get involved in the political process, they can't complain about who ends up running their lives (and spending their money) by default.

On the practical subject of Bristol's road chaos I wholly agree with you. My point was that stop-start town driving and little else leads to dumb drivers (and even more street furniture!).

Regards,

Simonm.

In message , Lee_D writes

Heh heh. Yes we got all the fun. Jeep, Defender and Disco in tandem to shift a big artic out the way. Sure checks out your recovery points!!

Exactly one week later BBC TV were in town for Question Time. Would have been fun if they'd been caught up in it.

We're all ready to go again, just give us the call!!

In message , Tom Woods writes

Especially the one at Crewe Green. Used to be so simple before they "improved" it. I defy anyone to go through that and get in the right lane for the Alsager road at the first attempt. (Road Number B something) The station one was brilliant the other day - the lights were out of action and the traffic just flowed through.

Yep - Crewe is fun - but not as good as Stockport where you join/leave the M60 - there's now *three* sets of lights going round the roundabout, and the lanes are marked for all possibilities - it's just a mess of lines with no-one knowing where they should be.........

Richard

Nope - those elected should be reminded at the start of every working day just who pays their wages, those in the Civil Service (e.g. road planners) should be reminded daily that however pretty their plans are, common sense is far more vital than current trendy theories. And someone should be asking how come the councils have all this money to spend on traffic lights when they can't mend the pot holes......

Richard

Its horrible is that one. All the roads are B-something's arnt they?

If alsager road is the one that goes to haslington then i can never get the right lane for that one either!

Whats your phone number? ;) Im in crewe now where the weather is okay but according to my mate the road to my house is impassable now (from crewe->audley past the potters lodge)

That would concur with my trip here thismorning where the A500 was a

20mph single file blizzard and then totally clear as soon as you got past the motorway!

I looked at the weather forecast thismorning and it was for rain so i came in the car rather than the landy. grr.