So what's going on here ... ?

My ISP dropped its news server too - and suggested a paid for one. I now use news.eternal-september.org and news.aioe.org both free. Between the two they cover all the groups I want - and if one is down the other likely still working. But I do use a prog which can cope automatically with two. It might be more tricky with some.

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Dave Plowman (News)
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Fredxxx

I think it is a mis-diagnosis in your case.

Responding to Graham, my local guy charges £40 for this, he just quoted me for checking mine. I'll ask him how much the kit costs, but given that it ties up the machine and a car space for a couple of hours, and it's presumably a few pounds for materials to recharge with the gas and synthetic lubricant, that didn't strike me as being an unreasonable price.

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newshound

I use aioe.org for my very minimal Usenet requirements.

The big challenge for me is that my current Newsreader is going to be incompatible with MacOS in the very near future - and with Usenet more or less dead, the author has no reason to update it.

Reply to
Steve H

Not yet, but supply of it in cylinders is restricted such that it is only to those with appropriate certification (C&G?) Not sure how Halfords etc get away with the small cans they sell.

In the late 1990's BOC in the UK recalled all cylinders of R12 refrigerant (and maybe R22) regardless of the status of the end user on the basis it was no longer legal to supply, yet Joe Public could still buy it 'over the counter' at car parts places in the USA in iirc 2005 Maybe you still can.

Reply to
The Other Mike

ISTR you could still use recycled stuff. Or that already in existence?

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Dave Plowman (News)

Thunderbird works quite well enough for me on OSX. In fact the only irritant is that it won't link to long URLs, even if encased in < >

And Newstap is OKish for iOS.

Maybe I have low expectations?!

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RJH

The only problem I have with Thunderbird is that on my IPhone it doesn't have a killfile so crap like Buttford gets through.

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Graham T

En el artículo , Arfa Daily escribió:

I believe (happy to be corrected) that the seals shrink and leak if the system is not regularly run, so it's necessary to run it now and then, even in winter.

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Mike Tomlinson

Yep, car handbooks will tell you that.

Oh, wait - I forgot no-one reads them!

Most cars now run a/c when demist is selected, and those with climate control seem to run them more or less all the time.

If you intend keeping a car for a number of years, you should have the system vacuumed out and re-filled every three years or so. Moisture gets pulled in, which is why there will be a desiccant type dryer in the system, and that can get overwhelmed. The lubricant also then gets replaced at the same time. Doing this means the system may well last the lifetime of the vehicle.

Chris

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Chris Whelan

Both of mine with climate control have an AC defeat button. Often called 'economy' or whatever. But does default to AC.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

I think it depends more on the quality of manufacture. For example:

My wife's Corsa bought new November 2003 needed its a/c refilling the first, second and third summers (each time under warranty) then every summer after that until she sold it in March this year.

My Vectra bought secondhand November 2012 (manufactured 2004). Condenser punctured by a stone summer 2013. Mechanic could not get the seals in the various unions to work properly so it needed refilling every summer thereafter. I sold this in July 2015.

My Skoda Octavia bought July 2015 a/c leaks slowly over about 4 weeks. Was refilled summer 2016 and again early June this year with new valves. The diagnostics show the pressure has dropped slowly over the past month and from this week it has no cooling power any more.

By contrast Toyota Avensis manufactured 2001 bought secondhand January

2005 sold November 2012 aircon worked flawlessly the whole time I owned it, with no maintainence required. I remember having to replace suspension and brakes for MOTs, also it needed routine oil changes - but other than that it was a very reliable car.
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Graham J

I've never been able to find anyone that can tell me how a system that is under pressure can "suck" moisture in. Or does part of the system run below atmospheric pressure?

My WSM says Low pressure at 20°C is 1.079 - 1.716 bar. So I suppose on colder days when used to demist it could be below 1 bar.

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Peter Hill

I think I've become so used to Soup (sadly, this copy shows as unregistered, as I lost my regustration code) - having used it for 18 years - that I don't want to change!

I recall Thunderbird is very much like Outlook Express in use?

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Steve H

I do remember using OE - just. ISTR it was similar, but there was something about the viewing panes that made it quite difficult to navigate.

I'd suggest giving TB a try, and if it doesn't do what you'd want, look for extensions/plugins. I use filter and appearance/font plugins and it seems fine - but I've not much to compare it with.

Reply to
RJH

En el artículo , Peter Hill escribió:

I don't think it is under pressure. The system is evacuated and part- filled with refrigerant, but is still below atmosphere.

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Mike Tomlinson

I doubt it.

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One bar is about 15 psi so the pressure in the system varies from around

2 bar to 20 bar depending on temperature and where it is measured in the system

Most car systems stop operating when the "low" pressure drops below about 2 bar.

When filling, the system is first evacuated to remove whatever is there, i.e. air when first commissioned, or any remaining gas when being refilled. The evacuation cycle continues for many minutes in order to extract every last drop of gas or air, reducing the internal pressure to much less than 0.1 bar. If any air has entered the system at any time it will contain moisture so the primary purpose of this long evacuation phase is to remove any moisture.

All systems include a "drier" which supposedly captures any remaining moisture to prevent it from freezing in the wrong place.

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Graham J

Moving follow-up to first place on the list for news helps (a bit).

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Peter Hill

En el artículo , Graham J escribió:

Many thanks.

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Mike Tomlinson
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Nah, the sort of person you describe would use slrn (a pure CLI news client).

PAN is a pretty decent client, and has been ported to Windows for those poor disadvantaged users.

Chris

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Chris Whelan

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