No idea - I'd never even *consider* buying a car in that class.
But if I *did* consider it, then the 106 GTi would be my choice.
So in answer to your question : Yes, I would. But it would be a 106 GTi rather than a Saxo VTS.
As I've said, they don't concern me in the slightest. FFS, I drive a Rover
600 !
Not at all.
When I bought my TI, I wanted big, fast, and comfortable. And I wanted something that didn't stand out as a performance car. Value for money, lead me to the Rover.
Different things are important to different people. If I cared about running costs and the like, I wouldn't be driving a 200bhp Turbo !
Surely that's quite an important factor, to your average hot-hatch buyer ?
You're missing the point here !
The Saxo is a DRIVER'S car - there's not much to touch it for performance/ride/handling. The Fabia/Ibiza (or infact, pretty much any of the VAG range) is not.
There's no such thing. More power = more mpg.
Eh ?
When comparing the Saxo to it's peers, you can't take it's size into account - clearly the other cars in the class are of similar size, otherwise they would be in a different class !!
Bear in mind that I would never ever consider buying a Saxo, or any other small car.
You are Dervman's twin brother and I claim my five pounds. I remember when they found Michael Knight's twin in Knightrider though. One of you is bound to be evil.
...and a *VASTLY* increased purchase price. You need a VERY modern Diesel to make the grade, and that means big money. And none of the decent Derv lumps are in small cars anyway, so it's a moot point.
I'd love to swap my 200bhp Petrol for 200bhp of Diesel - but the BMW 330d would sting me to the tune of thirty grand !
The quoted combined mpg is 35, and the residuals are average. Note, I said combination. None of the others can offer the same combination....
And weighs over 100kg more. It's the difference between 110 Bhp/ton and
130 Bhp/ton, which is _huge_. The mini has about the same power:weight as the VTR, but the VTR costs less than £10k.
The residuals on the MINI are very good. Whilst they will undoubtedly slip as time goes on, that is by far the biggest factor in the economy of running the car - the difference in fuel economy between the cooper and the VTS amounts to about £160 per year, which is negligible. However, acceptance of depreciation is implicit in the purchase of a new car.
Fair enough, although that weighs over 200Kg more than the saxo, and has comparatively dull handling.
Not at all. I'm a big fan of turbo-diesels, especially modern DI ones. On the other hand Hot hatches are about cheap thrills and thrashing, and that isn't what diesel cars are best at - they are best at mid range grunt and relaxed cruising.
The JD power survey is o.k. if you read the data carefully, and bear in mind the potential for systematic errors. Factors such as what the main dealers are like are of no relevance to how good the car is, but do affect the JD power survey. Also, it relies on the subjective assesments of an uncalibrated set of people, and it ignores buying trends. (e.g. the majority of micras have a much easier life than many other small hatches, simply because they are driven by grannies and do 2000 miles per year.)
The question was would you buy the Saxo the answer was no you would take the
106. Yes the 106 and Saxo are very similar bar the body, gear box, interior it's like saying the Fabia, Ibiza and Polo are all the same just because they share the same underpinnings.
No I said I would take the 106 over the Saxo not that I would chouse a 106 in a free choice of all cars in this class.
Don't you find it claustrophobic with that big B pillar? Nearly ended up with one in the mid 90's (not the turbo) but went with the Laguna because of that.
Where did you get 35 from? Not Citroen they give 33.2 for the VTS and 42.1 for the VTR. Taken direct from there web site and all the figures I gave are combined:
Are you Nom Walker Murry's brother? Identical but different? "The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it which is identical"
Bar as you have admitted the body and the gearing which are different. Do they share the same interior or dose the 106 have different seats, dash, clocks?
It was a company car so had to be to a budget & an auto for another member of staff. The Laguna was a nice car bar the little niggles (the air con caught fire).
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