The part you sniped, HTH
The point is, I don't consider the Granada to be a hot hatch at all, the same with the BX.
Just because they have a hatchback and are fast doesn't make them a hot hatch.
The part you sniped, HTH
The point is, I don't consider the Granada to be a hot hatch at all, the same with the BX.
Just because they have a hatchback and are fast doesn't make them a hot hatch.
Salesman in Renault quoted me exactly £13000 for a new so I ordered one, when I went to collect it he said "That'll be £13001.50", so I put £13k on the table and said "you can pay the other £1.50 because that's what you quoted me", he looked indignant and wouldn't do it. I explained that he had at least £70 commision in the sale, that I'd kept up my side of the bargain and that if he wanted the sale, and the £68.50 commision that'd come with it, he'd have to put the other £1.50 down. He wouldn't do it, and went as far as to "Speak to the sales manager" who wouldn't back down on the £1.50 either. This took it from being a bit of light hearted banter to me being pretty pissed off that he'd gone that far over £1.50, I figured that if that was how they were going to be when I was buying the thing (admittedly I did have huge discount on it) how were they going to be when I needed warranty work doing?
I walked away.
Cheekily, I had a phone call from the salesman later that day asking if I'd found the £1.50 to complete the deal..
Sniped ? I haven't even seen you on eBay !
Well done, now we're getting somewhere.
Despite the fact that it's a small car that has a GTi badge, weighs f*ck all, comes complete with 160bhp and goes like a rocket ?
It doesnt actually have a GTi badge (well this one doesnt anyway), but it does go like a rocket (comparitively speakly). And it's much more of a hot hatch then a Granada FFS. Body kit, buckets seats, plenty of power, weight f*ck all - which one of these does a Granada meet?
Well its rear drive...
Oh. It's shit then :)
Mine had a GTi badge but 8 valves and ~125bhp. It was a great car. I miss it. Plus, it only depreciated £55 in the 18months I owned it.
Exactly - no self respecting 80's/90's hot hatch was RWD=B9. (well, maybe the 360GLT just scrapes in...).
--=20 Lordy.UK
=B9 Except for a few pieces of random comedy Italian s**te of=20 course, but they don't really count.
80s hot hatch with RWD.....
Talbot Lotus Sunbeam. Chevette HSR (Only just, though).
I'm sure there are more examples - especially from Japan, though.
Hachi Roku!!!
Ahhh, yes, how could I forget that.... possibly because it was marketed as a coupe? - if we're going to include 'coupe' hatches, then the Manta would definitely get in there. (Won't include the Crapi 'cos they're spectacularly inpractical compared with a Manta hatch).
Before my time, and certainly before the time the phrase "hot hatch" was coined.
Ah, now there's a thought - Mk1 Corolla GTi 16V,. Now *there* is a self- respecting RWD. Always liked the Sunny ZX as well, but if I remember correctly that was FWD.
Silvia Turbo was fun in it's time, there's always the Pizza Turbo as well I suppose, but that was *really* s**te.
And don't forget that Granada Scorpio Cosworth thing as well.
Vauxhall Chevette Turbo is what it was.
That well-known sports-hatch ;-)
No no, I think you misunderstood...
Aha, this is the bit where I divert the conversation down a totally different and unrelated avenue!
The Suzuki Vitari doesn't do any of one those things that hasn't been mentioned for 10 posts, so you've completely failed to understand anything I've said or am about to say.
You're right, it's such a small car that people often mistake it for a 205 GTI
Cheers, there are really some fuckwits around.
Only a couple of hundred kilos of weight difference between a 205GTi and a BX 16v. BX has a decent size boot and much more power.
BX is really only a little bit bigger than a 306. Hot 306s were hot hatches IMHO, albeit a generation later. BX is smaller than MK3 Cavalier. Not sure I'd class a MK3 Cavalier SRi as all that hot, and the GSi was a saloon wasn't it? Anyway, BX 16v much hotter than both cavs, smaller and definately a hatch.
Oh I don't know, if you've decided perhaps there's no convincing you, but I think you're wrong on the BX front if you're denying the BX 16v Hot Hatch status.
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