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I must be certifiable, but I'm seriously tempted to build a 24v Sierra Sapphire 4x4, so I need to know some bits.
Found a tidy, clean Sapphire Ghia 4x4 with most of the bits I want - a/c,
4x4, solid shell, but it's only a 2.0 :-(
So, if I'm going to fit a 24v I'll need a Granada 24v engine, ecu, manifolds, and engine loom for a start.
I suspect I'll also need a Sierra V6 4x4 radiator, engine mounts and a few other bits and bobs - clutch, sump, front springs and exhaust for example. I know about the oil return to the sump. That bit is the easy bit.
Will I need the 2.9 4x4 gearbox, or will the 2.0 one do for now? I know the gearing will probably be a bit on the short side for the V6, but I suspect it'll go well til it goes bang.
How much of a pain in the arse is it to do? I might have just offered to do a swap with the Alfa for it..
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No idea abou most of the questions, but V6 rads can be had for peanuts!
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The input shaft on 4 cylinder gearboxes is shorter than the V6 boxes. The bellhousing pattern is different on V6s compared to Ford 4 cylinder motors as well. (zetec SE and Duratec excepted which are not really Ford engines at all. ).
So - you would need an XR4x4 box if you hope to fit the 24V motor into a Sierra.
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Bugger, there's another 250 gone then...
Going to go and have a look-see at it tomorrow. I like Sierras, and I have to say this 155 really doesn't float my boat, although it appears to be a decent example of one judging by the way every Alfa mechanic or specialist who's seen it instantly remarks "ooh, that's a nice one"
I doubt I'll be buying another 155, ever.
A 164, however, is always a possibility.
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I no longer have the Alfa. It never ever broke or cost me any money on repairs at all. The handling was quite poor though. Nothing like as good as my old Sud.
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Just buy a 2.9i 4x4. Only difference is one's a hatch and one's a saloon. You'll need ALOT of the stuff from the 2.9i.
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In Pete M says...

This may have escaped you in the last couple of years, Conor, but I've owned numerous XR4x4s of the 2.8 and 2.9 variety, and a Turbo Technics Sierra Ghia 2.9 4x4 estate. I've also owned a Sapphire Cosworth.
Now, I don't want another Sapphire Cosworth, but I do prefer the Sapphire bodyshell to the hatch. It's lighter and stiffer for a start, hence me wanting to build myself a *24v* Sapphire 4x4. The fact that it looks better is a bonus, as is the fact that it appears to be a very clean and tidy Sapphire that I've been offered.
Ford, in their infinate wisdom, didn't fit the V6 to any Sapphires, and they didn't fit the 24v motor to any Sierras at all.
Now, lets put this all together, in simple terms.
Ford didn't make V6 Sapphires, or 24v Sierras, but they did make 4x4 Sapphires and this will be my starting point.
Ford did make V6 4x4 Sierras, and the running gear is basically a bolt in job to a Sapphire 4x4 shell.
The 24v Granada engine can be made to fit a Sierra, which means that it can be made to fit a Sapphire.
Are you still with me?
I want a *Sapphire* with the *24v* engine and *4 wheel drive*.
*Not* a Sierra 2.9 4x4 hatch. If I wanted an XR4x4, I'd buy one, it'd be a shit load cheaper than building my own specification Sapphire.
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Careful, this is bordering on steve telling you that it will cost money. And we aren't allowed to spend money on cars.
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I know someone who has a 24V Cosworth engine/box/ecu/loom etc, plus a complete Scorpio Cosworth (one snapped timing chain). He also has a couple of Supercharged Sierra XR4x4s (Factory SVO development cars) and (I think) a spare box for the same. MT75?. He may be persuaded to part with the Scorpio and/or spare engine and possibly the Sierra box too as he has *no* space at all anymore. Drop me a line if you are interested.
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could well be, just got to find some space (and money) myself now...
Cheers though.
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Fit an all alloy V8 instead. At least then it'll have plenty of go, and probably weigh less than the V6.
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It will weigh less than the V6, but as no-one's managed to get the 4x4 system to work with a V8 yet, I don't fancy doing all the development.
It's a nightmare because of the driveshafts going through the sump.
Besides, the 24v Granny lump is ok, and good for about 220 bhp once the cats have gone...
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snipped-for-privacy@bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder.co.uk says...

Why not build a Range Rover innards into a Sierra shell. I've seen it all fit into a Fiat 126.
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:33:33 -0000, NeedforSwede2
->> It will weigh less than the V6, but as no-one's managed to get the 4x4 ->> system to work with a V8 yet, I don't fancy doing all the development. ->> ->> It's a nightmare because of the driveshafts going through the sump. ->> ->Why not build a Range Rover innards into a Sierra shell.
To get the RR box and xfer case to fit in a Sierra shell would probably mean making the transmition tunnel so wide you would have no footwells.
->I've seen it all fit into a Fiat 126.
What RR running gear in a 126 ?
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snipped-for-privacy@DELETEanoraks.uk.net says...

Yep, mid engined, 4x4 built in the early/mid 80's, full steel box arches to take real sized wheels and brush painted matt black for bombing round shitty country lanes.
Was a feature car in street machine at the time, and I believe it is still arround.
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:39:02 -0000, NeedforSwede2
->> ->I've seen it all fit into a Fiat 126. ->> ->> What RR running gear in a 126 ? ->> ->Yep, mid engined, 4x4 built in the early/mid 80's, full steel box arches ->to take real sized wheels and brush painted matt black for bombing round ->shitty country lanes. -> ->Was a feature car in street machine at the time, and I believe it is ->still arround.
Mid engine with the driver sitting on the roof I bet !
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snipped-for-privacy@DELETEanoraks.uk.net says...

Nope, but he did need to sit directly on the floor on some foam moulded into the space between the footwell and the back of the engine cover
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:39:27 -0000, NeedforSwede2
->> ->Nope, but he did need to sit directly on the floor on some foam moulded ->into the space between the footwell and the back of the engine cover
Must have been one hell of a tight fit for engine, gearbox and driver.
http://www.cruiseirl.com/forum/showthread.php?t 978
Cracking Q car tho.
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snipped-for-privacy@DELETEanoraks.uk.net says...

Yup, imagine that with 4x4 :) only seated 2, but was road legal.
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not a problem, what year is it and is it a facelift car or a 91 spec?

it's a start yes, get a running granada 24V, last one i bought cost me 300 and it had 6 months test on it but no tax

nope, but you will be able to use the dohc fans and rad, you will just need the pipes from the V6 car as well as the box etc (which i just so happen to have sitting in my front garden, along with most of a 2.9 V6 sierra :) other than the flywheel and the fork which i got the car for in the first place, as wlel as the sump)

the box is exactly the same other than the bellhousing but because it's intergral with it you have to swap the front casing for the V6 one done a few of these in my time, and still have a few spares knocking baout as wlel as a whole 2.9 box with a new tranfer box on the end of it

i've seen it done in less than 3 hours from runing dohc engine out to 24V engine in and running
what you need to do is to build up the mechanicals on a seperate crossmember, along with the gearbox etc and then slot it all in in one fell swoop all you would need to do is wire it up and extend the fuel lines to the passenger side because the dohc comes from the drivers side i may not be able to answer all of the questions you have due to the mrs being ready to drop, but ask on the forum and you'll get plenty of answers :)

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