Two kinds of idiots

Eyup, especially when they are enlightened as to the error of their ways (or rather, Microsoft's intentionally broken newsreader's ways) and yet continue to top post.

Most people prefer to read top to bottom. I've yet to see anything written that was easier to follow from bottom to top.

Considering he's posting from Sympatico in Ottawa, I'm guessing he's talking in KM/h but converting for the benefit of us backwards Americans. ;)

(I used to wonder the same thing about a guy from Vancouver who was always talking about 56 and 62 MPH speed limits...)

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Yes, because it forces all the work on the other person. and it puts things out out of order. Most top posters, including the one I responded to, don't even bother to trim.

The only reason top posting occurs so much now, is because of microsoft crapware.

Why is it all supporters of an overpoliced state think that EVERYONE who objects to certain aspects OF the police state are reckless speeders, drunks or red-light runners?

-Rich

I tend to follow the leader. If I respond to a top post (like this one), I'll top post. If I respond to a bottom post, I'll bottom post. Real easy.

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Whoa there, buck-o. Now don't jump to conclusions just yet. Just tell us why you guys think you have the right to break laws.

And BTW, you want to know what an overpoliced state is? It's this whole damn country with those idiot Bush brothers sticking their noses in where they don't belong. Who the hell are they to say what happens to Terry Schiavo?

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Nice strawman. How about reasonable rules that people obey because they are REASONABLE instead of just because someone on high says so. Or because the man with the gun says so. Someone says the speed limit change is wrong and unreasonable. A cop type responds 'the law is the law, obey'. Figure it out.

Law enforcement types consistantly don't respect the concepts of liberty and rule by the people for the people. They are consistantly in the camps of people who think that kings and emperors and other self proclaimed elites should decide what's best for all of us. Occasionally there is one that believes in the tyranny of courts or tyranny of the majority.

I have provided the cite consistantly that this premise is false. You only see it when roads are severely under posted and the new higher speed limit is still underposted.

And many traffic lights are set up poorly encouraging the practice. Because in the USA, because the mentality isn't one of sound practice, it's one of authority and obedence.

Drunk driving is another issue entirely. The word 'drunk' in and of itself implies unsound thinking.

So then we shouldn't have liberty, or proper ways of doing things. We should have emperors, kings, and dictators. Parents who tell us what is right and what is wrong. The hell with liberty and the hell with the republic then. The fact you see no problem with definining what the majority of the people find to be safe and reasonable as illegal shows that you want rule by authority, obedence. You don't want a republic, you don't want liberty. You want a police state where some overlord uses force to demand obedence.

The people have voted with their right foot. BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. Not by the elite for good of the people.

Read documents like: The Constitution of the United States of America. The Bill of Rights. The Federalist Papers.

Then get back to me.

We are headed there. We already get the checkpoints here in Chicago. The TSA searches, the patriot act, etc and so forth. Most of the tools are in place for one. All we need now is an event and someone to take power.

A 3kiloton suitcase nuke in a large city and we might be crowning King George the first.

Just keep obeying orders. Maybe you'll get to be the cop that hawls me away to the re-education facility or gets to stuff me in the rail car in a few years time.

In IL, the law is actually written such that speed limit changes have to be limited in how fast they may go down, and that enforcement cannot be within so many feet (500 I think) of the change. Obviously put there to stop predatory local police departments and governments.

And if we keep top posting long enough, the last post in the thread will be a 1000 lines wrong. That's why I start top posting when someone decides to argue with me that it's ok. If I top post long enough, they begin to get the point. See, top posting doesn't work well when neither party is doing the clean up work. Top posters function because others are doing the clean up

So what?

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Newsflash: If it's a law, then you either obey it or risk the consequences if you're caught breaking it. Don't like it? Change it.

Nothing to figure out. If it's a law and you break it, you take the consequences. Simple.

Brent, you're living on another planet. Stop playing video games and get back down to earth.

Sure, the traffic lights suck, but you simply don't run red lights. You might kill someone. D-oh.

After reading your stuff, I'm wondering if you're drunk. And that's based on your own definition.

Quite a subjective statement.

Last time I checked, this was a democracy.

Damn friggin' straight. Or would you rather have Lord Of The Flies?

Dude, you are way out there.

Well, one of those voters may just end up ramming your sorry ass because they ran through the red light and t-boned you believing that they're excercising their right to do what they think is right.

Go have dinner with the family of the person killed by the moron who decided to ignore the law because they felt oppressed by the police state. Then get back to me.

Dude, if it's so horrible here then go where it's better. Yeah, it's a challenge.

And maybe you'll be the asshole that decides to ignore the law and kills someone.

Dude, you need to get your brain rewired. It's pretty screwed up.

Well it slows things down, is wasteful, hard to follow, messy. If you are refering to pushing the work on others, well it's just plain rude.

In other words, just obey. With people like you, this nation deserves where it's headed. Removing bad laws is a huge and expensive undertaking if you haven't noticed. That's why most people simply ignore them. And it's really the people whom they are selectively enforced against that have the problem anyway. Most people voicing opinons such as yours simply think they'll never be that person.

Let me guess, you favor tool laws, like the ones where if a person has $10,000 in cash all a cop has to do is think it's from illegal drug sales and he can take it. You then have to go to court and prove it isn't. Like that law? How about IL's hidden compartment law. Make a hidden compartment in your mustang? Get pulled over and cop finds it, kiss your car goodbye. Doesn't matter if all you had in it was a box of jelly doughnuts.

What is the purpose of having so many laws such that people cannot get through the day without breaking laws? What is the purpose of having laws that define common, reasonable behavior as illegal? Many laws in this nation are only enforced selectively. Against people who are not liked, or have a certain appearance, etc and so forth.

I don't understand how people cannot realize the basic and fundamental problems with this set up.

No, I am paying attention on this planet, in this nation. And I haven't played video games since the atari 2600 was still the most popular game system in use. You might want to pay attention to the laws that are being enacted. You might want to take notice of the road side checkpoints, the war on drugs laws, the war on terror laws, etc and so forth.

Fact remains, engineering solutions are not used, instead of safety we get red light camera profit centers. There is a reason why the USA has gone from 1st in the world to a low of 16th and presently 10th with regard to road safety.

Kookify. Fine. Stay asleep if you choose. You might be that other guy before you know it. Let's see how cheery you are if the TSA accidently identifies you as a terrorist. Or maybe the town/city you live in decides a developer can do more with the property your home is on than you can and decides to kick you out and give it to the developer. Or maybe an endangered insect drifts in one day and now the government decides you can't use half your property and does not compensate you for the loss. Sure, they aren't coming for you now. They aren't coming for me now. But I when I hear of the people they've already come for, I can understand that I shouldn't ignore it thinking it will never be me.

It's never been a democracy. It has been a republic, one that is now failing just as many of the founders predicted.

So how far can government micromange your life, being your parent? You do know now there is an effort to control fatty foods. I hope you don't enjoy a good burger. Mommy government is going to step in and tell you what you can and cannot eat if some of the control freaks get their way.

Lovely debate ability you have. Again, what purpose do laws that the vast majority find unreasonable and ignore have? Things like 55 mph interstate speed limits? Not even the cops obey them. When some laws don't make sense, soon it errodes other laws. We are seeing that with the vehicle code right now.

Emotional appeals. Even less. Do you obey 55 mph interstate speed limits? I'll wager in any give day you commit more moving violations than I do.

Ahh. Love it or leave it. The lamest arguement of all.

Stay asleep. I hope you end up being the other guy. Maybe the DEA will have an address mistake. You'll probably understand some of the problems then.

Sorry Garth, I disagree. I much prefer to read the reply right there on top.

And as much as I hate to piss you off, I will continue to post in this fashion. It's not as if I will go to jail for it. I've always done it this way, sometimes on the bottom, sometimes intertwined within a post.

Why would someone prefer top scroll to the bottom of a post then read from to to bottom? It's unnatural. Here in the USA we read left to right, top to bottom. You know that.

I have only known a few people that make a fuss over it one way or another. Like I said, I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but I'm not going to change my ways.

Kate

Wasteful? How so? Is it ruining our rain forests? Using ink? Polluting something? Taking up valuable space in an overcrowded world?

Wasting Bandwidth? In today's world? Seriously?. In a plain text format? WHoo hoo.. the message I am responding to is a WHOLE 4kb!

That's like comparing a Mustnag II to today's '05. Things have changed!

Now, if it's in a group that posts photos and html, then yea, you have a point. Deleting images from a reply is just courtesy.

"Brent P" | Well it slows things down, is wasteful, hard to follow, messy. If you are | refering to pushing the work on others, well it's just plain rude. |

Pushing WHAT work on others?????? No one says you HAVE to delete it or pick through it.

Te reason for top posting is so you DON'T have to wade through it. Even bottom feeders leave all the junk in a post.

C'mon Brent... it's really not that big of a deal who's on top.

Kate "I'll post where I want to until it's a ticketable offence"

That's the way the one was in Atlanta too. It was terrible. Had to take the train across the airport to get to the free one.

Actually, there is a pretty good story there, I thought for a little while I might end up in an Atlanta jail.

Glad I quit too.

| | On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:31:24 GMT, "SVTKate" | wrote: | | >

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| >Kate | >

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Not to usurp Kate's response, but the above is simply bullshit.