Two kinds of idiots

Indeed, and that's exactly what I had to do to figure out what I had said that you're replying to. I agree; top posting is completely unnatural, and was virtually unheard of before Microsoft introduced it's broken mail and news client.

Which is why top posting makes absolutely no sense to me. It's like putting chapter one *after* chapter two in a novel.

I don't usually make a fuss over it either, but since you asked I couldn't help answering. :)

"Garth Almgren" wrote | I don't usually make a fuss over it either, but since you asked I | couldn't help answering. :) |

LOL... well, it was good for a giggle anyway!

"Joe" wrote

Well, Joe, thanks for the kind words. How much sense I have may be questionable at times.

You're right, about it being just a suggestion, and you have an valid point. It IS the law. There is no arguing with that whatsoever.

But seriously, how many poeple do you know that do the exact speed limit? I mean that will admit to always going the limit.

In town, school zones and places like that, I try my damnedest to drive the speed limit. I would say that 95% of the time I am successful.

BUT, on the freeway? If I'm doing 5-7 mph over I'm still sitting still out there when everyone is wizzing past. I know that because everyone else does it, is not a good excuse, but dangit, I am not going to drive 65 while the rest of the world is driving 75-80.

"SVTKate" wrote in news:8aAae.15427$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:

I know the feeling. ;)

That's my only point.

None. Myself included. I've taught my son that it's his duty to obey the laws. But when obeying the law puts him at risk, like when everybody's doing 90 in a 70, then he should "blend in" with the traffic so he doesn't pose a hazard to himself or anyone else. I've also told him that while doing so, he (and everyone else) risks getting a ticket with points. It's happened to me, and I'm sure it's happened to others.

In school zones, if you're doing 1 mph over the limit, you should be strung up and shot. 2 cents. We're talking about _kids_ here. Children, fercrissakes.

Like I said above, if it poses a hazard to do the limit, then by all means blend in. But by doing so, realize that you're also putting yourself at risk for getting a ticket with points. Those are the facts.

Damn... We ARE on the same page! (Even if my chapter IS on top LOL)

Good deal.

Kate

"Joe" wrote in message news:9EAae.120911$ snipped-for-privacy@bignews4.bellsouth.net... | "SVTKate" wrote in | news:8aAae.15427$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net: | | >

| > "Joe" wrote | > *snip* | >| Kate, I really thought you had more sense than this. What did you | >| tell your kids when they learned to drive? That going 5mph over | >| the limit is just fine because "everybody does it"? Did you tell | >| them that the law is only a "suggestion"? | >

| > Well, Joe, thanks for the kind words. How much sense I have may be | > questionable at times. | | I know the feeling. ;) | | > You're right, about it being just a suggestion, and you have an | > valid point. It IS the law. There is no arguing with that | > whatsoever. | | That's my only point. | | > But seriously, how many poeple do you know that do the exact speed | > limit? I mean that will admit to always going the limit. | | None. Myself included. I've taught my son that it's his duty to obey | the laws. But when obeying the law puts him at risk, like when | everybody's doing 90 in a 70, then he should "blend in" with the | traffic so he doesn't pose a hazard to himself or anyone else. I've | also told him that while doing so, he (and everyone else) risks | getting a ticket with points. It's happened to me, and I'm sure it's | happened to others. | | > In town, school zones and places like that, I try my damnedest to | > drive the speed limit. | > I would say that 95% of the time I am successful. | | In school zones, if you're doing 1 mph over the limit, you should be | strung up and shot. 2 cents. We're talking about _kids_ here. | Children, fercrissakes. | | > BUT, on the freeway? | > If I'm doing 5-7 mph over I'm still sitting still out there when | > everyone is wizzing past. I know that because everyone else does it, | > is not a good excuse, but dangit, I am not going to drive 65 while | > the rest of the world is driving 75-80. | | Like I said above, if it poses a hazard to do the limit, then by all | means blend in. But by doing so, realize that you're also putting | yourself at risk for getting a ticket with points. Those are the | facts.

Well, glad that's cleared up. :)

"SVTKate" wrote in news:BTCae.12348 $ snipped-for-privacy@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

Within the last few years, they raised the speed limit on I-75 down here to 70. It was 65, and everybody did 80-85, so they redid their study and agreed that it was certainly safe to raise it to 70. So now everybody does 80-90.

"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Wastes my time scrolling down to see who the hell they were replying to. Often I only want to see a certain branch, or just read posts replying to mine. With the attributions first, I can see that right off. Also the garbage builds up at the bottom because the vast majority of top posters don't do any cleaning. This is why I top post in all threads on top posting. I intentionally post the way the vast majority of top posters do, until it becomes irritating to the top posters.

See, some people still use dialup connections too, they don't want to deal with all the garbage at the bottom. (I don't but occasionally the connection to the news server is slow)

Also, top posting is a great way to hide context, and ignore points the other person has made.

Really? I've seen 1000 line posts when two top posters went at it. Posts so long that I would have to wait on a broadband connection. Back when I was using modem connections, these would really suck.

Also, 95+% of top posters I've encountered don't trim, don't do any work what so ever, they expect other people to do it. There are a few idiot bottom posters who do the same. No trimming what so ever. Posts that are practically unreadable except for the new content.

As I stated before, it's also a good way just to ignore points the other person has made.

So all laws are good and need to be obeyed because their laws eh? Did your grandfather drink during prohibition? Would you? Do you know how many laws you break in a day? I can't even tell you how many I break. There are so many laws about this and that, I don't even know them all. And I know and follow many many more than most people.

I even know that as an adult I cannot legally ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. Numerous driver's insist on it however. The law states to use the road and ride by the letter of the IL vehicle code.

That would be excellent. But the problem is, it would mean enforcing speed limits for safety instead of profit. Enforcing for safety costs money, enforcing for profit makes money.

Drive the limit or below and become suspicious for driving too slowly.

BINGO! Now then we get to the point, speed limits are about MONEY, not safety.

The ISP has been threatening to use photo radar in construction zones. I've been slowing to the posted 45mph speed instead of the customary

It's based on the simple principle that most people will choose a reasonable speed. However, nannys and control freaks would rather impose their desired number.

And until the threat of enforcement is no longer surpressing speeds, they will not be able to measure the real 85th percentile. If you are trying to get to a proper speed limit from below, it will take a few iterations. This is _normal_.

Try some courses at the local HS on reading comprehension and then some on actual US history, if any are still taught. Then maybe you'll understand what I wrote.

Notice the tactic of top posting being used to avoid actually addressing my points.

Unfortunately, there are multitudes fines and penalties that are basically revenue generation measures (i.e. another way to tax us) for the government. I live in Virginia and in 1995 the state legislature passed a law giving localities the right to install cameras at intersections to automatically photograph vehicles for speeding and red light violations. Trouble is they sent the ticket to the vehicle owner and not necessarily the driver who committed the violation. All these municipalities could care less if they ticketed the actual driver, it was the owners fault and responsibility to pay the fine. These cameras were cash cows for them to exploit. They would collaborate private companies that took a percentage of the ticket revenue in return for installing the devices and maintaining them. All they had to do was figure out how to spend all the money they made, of which, IMO, too much was illegitimate but they didn't seem to matter to them.

The bill was written to expire in ten years unless the legislature renewed it. The public complained enough that they let it expire. You wouldn't believe the whining and complaining from police departments, etc. that used the cameras. You would have thought they were starving babies that had bottles yanked out of their mouths. I considered a small victory for the average Joe that at least deserves to have a ticket written in his presence by a law enforcement officer.

As it should be. It irritates me that the government assumes we all are reckless drivers and they know what is best for everyone. Unfortunately, they have this same attitude for far too many areas that effect our lives.