Visit to the Ford Dealer

I was having some work done on my car so I walked around the Ford dealership looking at cars.
A salesman greeted me. I asked if they had and new GT500's yet. He
said no, but they were getting four. He said it looked like they would sell for MSRP + 25K, around $70K.
I wonder what they will be going for in a year?
I told him I'd certainly be looking at a Corvette for that kind of money and he agreed.
They had quite a few nice GT coupes. A real nice black 06 GT Premium 5-speed on sale for $26,700.
Mort 98 Cobra (Still!)
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Wait it out. Right now the dealers are busy reeling it the idiots with more money than sense. It will continue for another 6-12 months IMO.
Mort Guffman wrote:

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in re: what they'll be going for in a year....SWEET REVENGE
tried ordering an '05 GT convert from my local dealer starting 1 1/2 years ago.......at first, he wanted $5800 over sticker.....lowest he ever got was $3000 over.
so, I finally went to an out-of-town dealer and ordered an '06 for $3000 under sticker (which was a good price at the time). car came in Feb.
and NOW my local dealer calls and wants to deal........that was a fun coversation.
doubt if 500s will ever be bargains, but as gas goes up and Ford goes down, dealers are gonna feel the pinch. let them each cake (or something)
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right, let them eat cake (or something).
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:44:37 -0400, Itsfrom Click wrote:

BRAVO!!! Well done!
I'm shopping for a leftover 06 myself and I noticed that the lots are loaded with them in all kinds of colors and trim!
I get the Ford X-Plan price (as a Ford Partner) but I suspect they are going to want to deal even more (lower) than that because either they took in too many cars, or the car buying market is slowing down a bit.
And this is at 4 different dealerships in my area!
I looked last year as well, at 05 leftovers and at this time of year there wasn't one to be found anywhere so something has changed at least where I live.
I've read mixed stories about dealers not wanting to give the Xplan price on the GT, but I might make them an offer they can't refuse...
And they can keep the canolies! (From the movie The Godfather)
(Officially the GT is excluded I believe)
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Lymee:
yes, I was eligible for X-Plan, too. Dealer #1 (Donley Ford of Ashland, OH) literally laughed in my face.
Then went to Mullinax Ford - Amherst OH. No arguments at all - they would honor X-Plan on anything in stock or ordered. Mullinax is part of AutoNation. I understand that AutoNation's dealership sells something like 20% or more of all new cars sold in the US......now I know why. Would recommend them to anyone as it was a painless deal......car was beautifully preped (zero defects so far), full tank, follow-up courtesy calls, etc. (again, this was a Mustang GT convert when they were still rare. I suppose now I would be tempted to consider the V6, but the mpg on the GT is great).
Imagine better deals are available now.....except 500s and THE GT.
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wrote:

I wonder how many people walk away from Ford dealers and buy something different entirely because of such nonsense. And does ford lose more people to this nonsense than they gain from it?
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Itsfrom

Well in 1999, that is exactly what I did for my wife's new non-Ford ride.
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i have always had fords. back in 99 i had to go to 4 dealers to get what i could afford and make a deal. the first 3 acted like they could care less if they sold me a f-150 or not, because i think cause i had a trade in??. the 4th dealer had my deal done in less that 40 minutes. now i only deal with those guys and been pleased eversince. + my dad bought a 02 saleen from them. they treated us good. mp 99-f150 99-gt
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Brent P) writes:

I am in that group.
I have a 1992 5.0 and I was looking to trade in my 1994 Caravan for a new ride. I really liked the 2006 Pony Edition (so did my wife :-) so I went to Campbell Ford in Ottawa, which is the largest Ford dealer in eastern Ontario. They had the Pony advertised in the local paper and on their website for the intro price of $23,500cdn. Browsing the lot, all of the stickers were between $27k and $30k. I found a salesman and asked him what the deal was with the Pony and his response was, "What would you like the deal to be?". Bullshit!
I asked about the special price and he said that the sticker on the window was the price and he could not come up a calculation about how the price jumps from $23.5k to $28k. Turns out that there is no way you can get a Pony off the lot for less than $27.5k.
I turned my attention to the Fusion and 500s. Same crap. No clear indication of price and vague references to deals that were not forthcoming. Also, they were not interested in taking my 1994 as trade.
Anyway, I bought a fully loaded 2006 Impala LT for a great price and I am very happy with the car and the purchase experience could not have been easier. The Chevy dealership also gave me a very good price for my trade.
Two weeks after I bought the Impala, the Ford salesman calls and wants to talk. Sill doesn't want my trade and the prices are still vague. See ya later!
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:53:36 -0500, Brent P wrote:

Where I live the Ford dealers are very friendly and so is one very small Dodge dealer we have here as well. The GM dealers are PITA except for one and that's only the parts guy who has always been very helpful to me.
The worst dealers are the Japanese ones with Mitsubishi at the top. I took a 2006 Eclipse Spyder vert for a test drive, about 2 hours after I had just driven a 06 Mustang GT Vert AND a V6 coupe. So after the ride, the Mistsubishi salesman asks me what I thought and I told him, nicely that the car was a real looker but it felt kind of flimsy to me.
He took a look at my Dodge Caravan soccer mom special parked in the lot and said something like "compared to your Dodge" ? To which I replied, no...compared to the Mustang GT I just test drove an hour ago.
You should have seen the look on his face :)
Then he comes back with "Well if you wanted to buy a Ford, why did you come to a Mitsubishi dealer?"
I ended the conversation with "Don't worry, I won't be back"...
And Mitsubishi wonders why they are considering pulling out of the USA market if sales don't improve?
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:53:36 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:

I did exactly that late last year. My wife wanted a new Explorer E/Bauer package. We went to the local dealership (same one I've been trading wtih for 20 years) and walked in as usual telling the sales manager we want "that Explorer" and asking, "how much" well, he insisted on sticker price. I told him I wanted to buy the car, not the dealership... To make a long story short, he wouldn't deal, I went to the Merc/Lincoln dealer, we bought a new Mountaineer. Drove it off that lot over to the Ford dealer, parked in front, walked in past the sales manager right to the owner's office. I asked him to come outside and see my "NEW CAR" when he did, he almost shit. Asked me what happened, I told him, he was visibly upset... The next time I was in the dealership, a couple of weeks later (to have coffee with some friends that work there) the sales manager was gone. I asked what happened and was told that he didn't come back the day after I bought my Mountaineer.
So, the moral to that story is, let bullshit walk and go somewhere else to spend your money, BUT make sure you go back and let the MANAGER/OWNER know what happened after the fact. That's when you have the most clout, when they KNOW you mean business by dealing with the competetion. Tell them then and there, if they want your business "next time" to make sure they act like it and treat you like they want your business or you'll go "across the street" again. That tactic has worked for me. I walk in now, the current sales force knows not to play games...
They might screw me without me knowing it, laugh behind my back and call me "whatever" but at least they talk seriously and don't try to sell me over sticker or at sticker because I look "hungry"
John
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:07:06 -0500, nobody wrote:

Another thing people may not realize is that the followup survey calls that often arrive a couple of weeks after a purchase are taken VERY SERIOUSLY at the management level by most companies.
I know one large company (not automobiles) where getting a "satisfied" instead of a "very satisfied" is considered a bad mark against the person whose work is being surveyed.
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Lymee:
yeah, "Top Box" satisfaction scores have been the big deal with a lot of companies for a while (think they'd rather spend the big bucks on surveys, research, consultants instead of better service/products).
Got my survey from FoMoCo a couple weeks after I got the new 'Stang.......gave the dealer I finally bought it from very good marks.....mostly top box.
For all the cars I've bought, tho', just once I'd like to get a survey on what I think of the CAR......I'd mention no light in the glove compartment or cigarette lighter for $35,000 or the chintzie top "boot" that cost $180 that I'd be ashamed of anyone seeing! But it sure do go down the road good.
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Well, we bought a Sable in 1988 when you couldn't deal on an Accord or Camry. We've been with Ford pretty much since then.
But I am always astounded by threads like this one. If the dealer finally has a hot car, people scream when they try to sell if for a score. I never hear anyone crying when Ford dealers (or any brand) are giving away Windstars and Taurus' when the demand is weak. Customers armed with not only invoice info, but holdback figures really beat up dealers (their right) when the market gives them the leverage.
Let the moron's buy the cars over MSRP, it's also their right.
John
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wrote:

People beat up the manufacturers in that case ;)... but anyway, the reason has everything to do with the dealers themselves and how they treat people in general. If it weren't an adversarial system then you'd have a valid point, but it is. And people are happy with victory, not defeat.

Electronics, toys, whatever have an MSRP. Some stores sell at MSRP, others well below it. It's extremely rare to see anyone sell above it. With cars however it's an entirely different story. For some reason cars are 'different'. But imagine you had to find research and handle every purchase you made like buying a car. Shopping would be quite chore wouldn't it?

true, but it's same regarding complaining about being priced out of the market by dealers fleecing said morons.
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It is even more far reaching than that. Ford Motor Company gets a great big black eye for allowing it's dealer (Did I type Dealer? Should read Stealer) network to fleece their customers in this fashion. I have lost a lot of respect and loyalty for Ford Motor Company over this asinine Shelby GT500 pricing fiasco.
I have actually seriously entertained jumping the Ford ship for the first time in my life, and buying a Corvette over this BS.
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with

That is, if Ford's still making them at that point... ;)
Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

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Joe wrote:

I think they will because even at MSRP they are making a killing off the car. EVERYTHING on it is either low tech or already developed under existing models. That includes the heads, blower, intercooler and even the rear end is a low cost easy to install solid axle. I bet the GT500 doesn't cost hardly any more than the last Cobra to build since they dropped the IRS. I think Ford sees the GT500 as just another Cobra offering with Carrol Shelby's name slapped on it. In fact, that is probably where the extra cost is from over the last Cobra. :)
Plus, with the GT going out of production they need a high performance model of some sort and the GT500 is all they have for the foreseeable future. Anyway, I WILL NOT pay more than $45k-$50k for a loaded convertible GT500. It just won't happen. There are too many better convertibles in the $50k-$65k price range that weigh far less. In fact, Ford advertises "Bold Moves" so why don't they do a "bold move" themselves and sell the damn car for the advertised price.

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