Saw a dude driving through town with a 2004 Grand Prix. He had the parking lights and the fog lights on. The headlight module had no lights on. I was under the impression the headlights had to be ON for fog lights to work ? Maybe the guy played with the wiring.
========= Harryface =========
1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE, 3800 V6 _~_~_~_~275,726 miles_~_~_ ~_~_
maybe the fog lamps are the DRLs now? how obnoxious would that be...
everyone who has fog lamps drives around with them ON around here, even though we almost NEVER get fog... real annoying.
They're hardly really fog lights, otherwise they'd be that yellow color. These are usually described as "driving lights", meaning an extra set of lower-placed headlights.
Yousuf Khan
Even in fog they dont do jack squat...
i can always see the road regardless of the weather
Fog lights don't have to be yellow. But I'm pretty sure that most cars out there have driving lights instead of fog lights and I was told that the best way to find out was to look at the light casing for F designation for fog light. I'm not positive but I think that real fog lights are supposed to have the brightness of the brights and that at 4 feet away the beam is only supposed to be either 1 or 3 feet off the ground.
On my GP I can have the parking lights on and the fog (I'm pretty sure they're fog lights..they're adjustable :D) lights without the headlights being on. Come to think of it, I was playing in an 04 Sierra and I could turn on the driving lights (we tried those out in the fog near the WI/MI border when it was really foggy out and they worked a little bit but nothing spectacular) with just the parking lights on.
The DRL lamps are the upper half of the fog lights assembly. Half of the lens is yellow for the DRL and half of it is transparent for the fog light. Thus, if you say them yellow, it was the DRL, if white, the fog lights.
But I read somewhere that the driver can disable DRL in the new GP through the cruise computer, I think.
On our way back from our farm we were driving (of course...that's quite a bit to walk back :P) but we saw new BMWs, MBs, and Lexii (is that the plural of Lexus ?) with the HID lights, but they weren't really a pain, I guess it could be something to do with having them aligned right. I agree with the GP headlights being to dim, sometimes it's hard to tell if they're even on in the city.
Yep, thats how they sound. I love the domestic exhaust sounds. Most people expect nice exhaust notes. I remember reading a review of a Ferrari Enzo or
360 and the reviewer said that the cabin was so sound-proof that he couldn't hear the note and that he was kinda disappointed by it.
Yea, but hey, it's better then an I4. And I could have gone in a Z28 but uhm...uhh...I think the GP had more gas or something (which turned out to be a good thing, I wasted 4 gallons trying to get out of the damned parking lot) that and it was in the middle of a Wisconsin winter (I don't really buy into the whole FWD is better for snow then RWD thing, but I'll use it as an excuse if I have to :P ).
What the hell kinda fun is that?
Ok it really doesnt matter how many cylinders it has, its the RPM's the motor operates at and the "special" exhaust tips and mufflers they get. You can stick a Borla or flowmaster exhaust on say a Z24 Cavalier, (5500RPM peak) and it'll sound pretty sweet, not as loud as say a Corvette (around the same peak RPM) with a Borla setup, because thats pushing 2-3x as much exhaust gas through 2 tubes. A V6 is somewhere in between there. My Monte Carlo with Flowmasters sounds sweet, rev it up and it has a nice rumble and cackles slightly at the end of the rev down, it would be louder but I got the 50 series instead of the 40.
Saw 3 more 04 GP's today with the fog lights off. The DRL is a higher intensity bulb in the parking light.
========= Harryface =========
1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE, 3800 V6 _~_~_~_~275,726 miles_~_~_ ~_~_
I have no idea, not my kinda fun tho :P
RPM's mean nothing as far as sound goes. IMO inline 4 cylinders have never and will never ever sound good. There is no dead drops in the sounds for them to ever sound good. "Special" fart tips arent needed with a well cam'ed engine. I have sat in late model firebirds both 3.8 and 5.7's and the 3800 sounded just as mean as the 5.7. It might of had exhaust work done to it, not sure but it wasnt like a fwd exhaust in sound. Those roled in coffee cans on 4 bangers just act like a bullhorn and amplify the nasty husqvarna chainsaw sound that I dont want to hear. The best exhaust system for a 4 cylinder is one that "completely" mutes it. Now I have no doubt your Monte sounds good but the cackle discription might not be good.
The best sounding engines are the ones that lope like harleys while idling.
Who the heck can have fun in a nearly quarter million dollar car??? I'd be to anal to drive that. Fiero with a v8 would be fun and cheap enough for me. Dang yuppies...
Strange that those lopey Harleys sound like that with just *two-cylinders*.
Yousuf Khan
Then you probably haven't heard of the Subaru STi, it's got a 2.5L turbo
4-cyl engine, putting out 300HP and 300lb-ft, plus it's got 4WD, mounted in a small coupe the size of Corolla. It should seriously hurt all Z28's and most Corvettes, simply by the fact that it can lay all of that power down through all four wheels. :-)Yousuf Khan
snow, i can always see the road regardless of the weather
That's interesting, because in my 2001 Grand Prix, I can barely see the road ahead regardless of weather, even when it's clear.
Yousuf Khan
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