OT Veterans Day

Just want to thank all you veterans out there..

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mcavanti
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I would like to echo what Jeff said plus too all Nam Vets Welcome Home

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Jerry Kaiser

I was not prepared for my welcome home after my Vietnam tour. When I joined the Navy, the uniform got the girls, but in 1967-69 you dared not wear it more then you had to. We learned from that "baby killer" crap to hate the war, but not the warrior this time around.

Jerry Kaiser wrote:

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John Poulos

Indeed!. I came back from a one-year in-country tour to be stationed in San Francisco. Talk about "out of the frying pan into the fire". I got booed in SF and picketed many times in Oakland (I had to drive through the Oakland Army Base where much of the VN shipments originated). We didn't wear uniforms off-vase any more than we had to. Paul Johnson

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Paul Johnson

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John Poulos

Sad comment on how some American view the very people that keep us free, isn't it? However one expect that kind of stuff in San Francisco today as well.

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

That crap was just beginning when I returned in May of 1965. Fortunately, I spent my remaining nine months in the service assigned to the 116th INTC Group in DC and the uniform of the day was plain clothes...

JT

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Grumpy AuContraire

We may pay dearly in the future for failing to maintain a good size military force. There may no longer be an Iron Curtain, but there's plenty of bad guys that want our hide...

JT

John Poulos wrote:

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Grumpy AuContraire

I was lucky, I got out in Feb 63. We did run an escort mission for a hellicopter carrier up close to Vietnam, but since the war was not officially on, it was apparently kept secret. When I checked our ships records years later there was no record that it was near Vietnam.

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Alex Magdaleno

Yeah, we will. Good thing Rummy's gone:

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"The DOD estimates that BRAC savings are roughly $16 billion through 2001. (This figure does not include environmental cleanup costs beyond 2001). For continued savings in future budget years, both the BRAC and QDR proposed additional rounds of BRAC similar in scale to 1993 and 1995. Additionally, in August 2001, the DOD announced the Efficient Facilities Initiative (EFI), which proposed a new round of base closures. These efforts are supported by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Army Gen. Henry H. Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff."

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"In his first months in office, Rumsfeld's primary goal is to reassert civilian control over a Pentagon that had been dominated by the uniformed military during the Clinton years. He announces a top-down review of Pentagon policy and seizes the military promotion process, personally interviewing three- and four-star candidates. Convinced that they are blocking innovation, Rumsfeld targets the permanent Pentagon bureaucracy, and in particular Gen. Shinseki and the Army, which he believes is lumbering and intransigent. Some uniformed military complain about their treatment by Rumsfeld, including Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Hugh Shelton, who tells Washington Post reporter Dana Priest that he is being treated "like a second-rate citizen."

Rumsfeld develops his own views on transformation, which involve cutting funding for heavy equipment and developing a high-tech military that relies on fewer troops. "Donald Rumsfeld wanted to build a smaller, nimbler and more networked military that could respond swiftly to threats anywhere in the world," recalls John Arquilla, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School."

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"You've done a great job, Rummy."

Grumpy AuC> We may pay dearly in the future for failing to maintain a good size

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Pat Drnec

Sounds like my Navy Expeditionary Medal, "For unspecified action" a.k.a. Cuba missile crisis.

Alex Magdaleno wrote:

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John Poulos

At least you got one. My ship/squadron was never recognized or acknowledged for an assignment during/after Bay of Pigs. Paul Johnson

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Paul Johnson

Thanks for all the kind thoughts to the Veterans, young and old. I was in the Army, 67-70. Vietnam from May of 68' through May of 69' and served with the 3rd Squadron, 11th Armored Cav. My Squadron commander was George S Patton, Jr. and it seems that he had somewhat of a reputation to live up to so we were always in the thick of it, or so it seemed at the time.

I served, did my duty, made and lost friends, was awarded the Bronze Star for doing something that I would never want to do now, but didn't even think to question when I was there. Luckily, no Purple Heart medal!

I came home, and living in the San Francisco Bay Area, got my fair share of bad vibes, jeers and hate from the locals, including some of my "friends" from school that had stayed home and managed to avoid the draft. Funny how things change.

I am so glad that our country, for the most part, has decided it is OK to respect the men and women that step up and serve. It is OK to hate the war, hate the politicians, and hate the problems that we get into. That is what our country is about, freedom to think and to speak and to act. I'm just glad that we can be civil and respectful to our armed forces. They are some of the best and brightest and we should be proud of them.

Enough rambling....Thanks to my fellow Vets for all you do and have done. Welcome Home to my Vietnam Vet brothers and sisters. God Bless America.

Allen

Jerry Kaiser wrote:

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Allen Siekman

In addition they do not wear a uniform or meet you face to face. One of are problem today is we are trying to fight 'friendly wars' by avoiding civilian casualties.

In WWII when we were attacked from a village we destroyed the village, we did go door to door to find who was shooting at us. If Patton were leading the war in Iraq there would not longer be a Sadar City, Falluga or half of Baghdad

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

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John Poulos

And exactly how would that be saving Iraq? Reminds me of the infamous quote " we had to destroy the village in order to save it">

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Alex Magdaleno

At least JFK learned from that fiasco.

I again point to the "reformed recalcitrant" Truman for beginning the "no win" policies still practiced to this day...

JT

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Grumpy AuContraire

A simple: "God bless all of the veterans!" FlatheadGeo

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FlatheadGeo

You many have different opinion but to me it would kill off those foreign terrorist that are trying so hard to prevent the democratically elected government of Iraq from taking control of the country. Why else would Arabs from Iran and Syria be sending in their children to kill both Sunni and Shiites in Iraq?

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

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