$1,800 profit-per-car over GM

Does that mean you believe the people that buy the Camry are idiots? ;)

mike

The last I checked the Wetzler lenses were worth over $2,500 each LOL

mike

You forget the 2006 Taurus was as large as the Avalon that sold for a least $8,000 more. It was larger than the Camry, not the same size. ALL Toyotas are priced higher then any of their domestic or import competitors similar size and equipped models. Go price a Civic or Accord. If you want the most car for the money, compare the even larger V8 CV/GM to the Avalon, it too is

mike

No. If people's decisions to buy particular products totally without regard to the popularity of a product, then one product would still be #1.

That said, the popularity of a product does make a difference in buying decisions, whether people are aware of it or not.

Jeff

People who buy anything simply for its popularity are idiots, whether it's a Camry or a Taurus..

....and they don't auto focus....

Canon has an excellent line of lenses....

Does that mean you believe the people that buy ticket to the most popular movies are idiots? ;)

mike

But they have nowhere near the depth of focal field of that of Wetzel lenses. Canon lenses are only a step above the lenses on a TV Camera ;)

mike

Depth of Field is totally a function of size of lens/size of aperture and sensor size.

Since my 5D has a 35mm size sensor (same as 35 mm film) all your lenses would have the same depth of field on my camera as Canon lenses of the same sizes of those in your stable.

Well, it's true that the Taurus is bigger than a Camry; the Taurus is 9" longer and 2" wider. Of course, that just makes it harder to park. Inside, where it counts, the Camry is the same size as the Taurus.

However, if more is better, console yourself with this: the Taurus uses more gas to go the same distance. No, wait, that's a bad thing.

The Taurus weighs more, too. No, wait, that's a bad thing.

Poor Camry, it's turning radius is smaller, too. Wait, that's a good thing.

Well, anyway, "mike," by several measures, the Taurus is bigger. Congratulations.

Try to remain focussed. We're discussing how people base their choices, not whether or not their specific choices happen to be the popular choices.

I've heard of those. They're cheap Chinese knockoffs of the original Wetzlar lenses.

Bragging without checking your spelling makes you look like more of an ass than usual. And I had hardly thought that was possible.

LOL

Thanks to kinton China has aquired much of the technology needed to produce equal or better product at a far lower price.

Hardly, I brought then bask from Germany after the war. LOL

Hey! Are you Scott's new parrot? I didn't realize that job had been filled.

Clinton didn't give the Chinese anything.

Do you know why the Chinese are kicking our asses? Have you been to China? China is getting ready to leave us in the dust, not because of Clinton, but because they study in school and bust their asses at work. Kids don't get dismissed early to watch a hockey game and they don't go home to play sports and learn "teamwork" (*), they go home and study. Their parents don't spend the evenings schlepping them from baseball to hockey to soccer in a giant gas-sucking SUV, their parents spend the evening looking at their math and fixing their grammar.

(*) - and, as a 10 year veteran of children's organized "sport," I can assure you that we aren't learning teamwork, either. Kids learn how to bully and wheedle to get their way and, when they don't, their parents play political games to steal an advantage for their kid.

As usual, you miss the more significant point. If you're going to play the braggart, sweat the details. If you've misspelled "Wetzlar" several times, different ways in successive posts, I figure you have never even seen a real Wetzlar lens.

And your remarks to Scott about depth of field were entirely wrong, bringing your credentials as a photographer into question, too.

Of course, you don't sweat the details on anything, consequently, you're often wrong.

Japan and the US are low wage countries? Or Canada? That's where ALL the US Sold Toyotas come from.

Toyota also has plants in Australia and the UK, and I think, Thailand. None of these are low wage, and none of these cars make it to the US.

I think you have it backwards. Ford and Chrysler have manufacturing in low wage countries, and still can't compete.

Perhaps that is why...

What do you mean, "even" if it were? And why do people pay a premium for a Toyota? No rocket science involved hewre. People will pay for a better product. Chevrolet has proven that.

Easily explained - Toyota requires their dealers to provide competent service. Ford doesn't care. Quality costs.

Given a choice between three trips and 6 hours @ $45/hour to fix a 2 hour problem and 2 hours @ $60/hour to fix a problem, I think I'd pay the extra to go just once.

Still, I won't know for sure if my Toyota dealer can repair my Toyotas until they need repairing. That hasn't happened yet. :-)