OT - You just CAN'T make this kind of stuff up...

Feb 24, 2008 61 Replies

oh, and who isn't just here for the sole purpose of butting heads with people...

Here's a bunch of articles:

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The CIA didn't think there was any serious technology transfer.

There was probably very, very little technology transfer because China received satellites in sealed boxes and simply launched them (or tried to), and about the only time they had a chance to check the insides was when they searched for debris from a failed launch.

Exactly what technology in the Loral civilian communications satellites could be adapted to ICBM use? After all there's no inertial navigation equipment, and GPS has been available to everybody.

Interesting how the CIA becomes conveniently and miraculously reliable when it suits the left's fancy.

But when it comes to what the left finds lacking in foreign policy, they're suddenly idiots.

It had to do with guidance systems, if memory serves.

Still spouting the lefty kook stuff you get from MoveOn we see LOL

No, it's not. BTW, have you seen the Hannsen movie "Breach"? Not a bad flick. Slow, but grabs you enough to keep your interest.

Just added it to the Netflix list. Can't get it for this weekend. My son's coming home from college, and he has demanded large quantities of shrimp, and "The Hunt For Red October" (for the eighth time). I might substitute "Run Silent Run Deep", since he's never seen it. Sub movies are the coolest.

Das Boot.

THFRO was good, though detente dictated the sub-plot be toned down to mollify the Russians.

Exactly where were they wrong in the Loral case?

The CIA was right about Iraq, wrong about the Soviet Union.

That would be inertial or GPS navigation.

The sealed satellite package doesn't guide the rocket, and the satellite's guidance system is controlled by the satellite itself, except for maybe some signals that the rocket sends to it to indicate when the rocket has finished its job.

So what technology did the Chinese get? AFAIKT, only some help to fix defects in their rocket.

If you sobered up you'd know that I've seen only two MoveOn spots, one showing an American soldier sinking in quicksand representing Iraq, and a more recent one that I no longer remember. You'd also realize that Karl Rove would have said the same thing about the Times' story effect on the McCain campaign.

If Bush-1 had been in office when the technology was transferred, would you have the same attitude about it? Remember that you are under oath.

Answer the question.

Of course. I've never defended any political figure for technology transfer. I'm still boycotting Toshiba products for their computer tech transfer to the Soviets, enabling them to build more quite sub props.

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Only the second and eighth articles are specific about the technology involved. The first article mentioned problems with wire connections for a power amplifier, but engineers always deal with wire connection problems, a famous recent case involving the the last space shuttle flight, which was delayed because of bad connections to the fuel level sensors. The NewsMax article says the Chinese received space technology related to antennas, jam resistance, radio, and crosslinks, radiation hardening, and encryption. I don't know about most of those, but regarding the last two, radiation-hardened electronics can be bought on the civilian market (I've seen the full page ads for power supplies that can withstand even the Van Allen belts --

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and military rockets have been using gold wires for that since at least the early 1960s. Encryption is mostly used to prevent anyone with a satellite uplink from taking control, and such uplinks are easy to obtain (rent-u-uplink was common for long-distance business meetings, 10-20 years ago)

And they ended up paying a paltry $14 million in fines. I'm sure that indicates innocence.

And you got your answers. Any more, you can do you own homework.

Let me rephrase my earlier reply: My father, who was and may still be prohibited from traveling to China and Russia, thought China received nothing of importance from Loral or Hughes.

witfal wrote: :

He seems to be saying his father was a rocket scientist.

I'd not make that assumption.

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