OT: traffic cameras

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:12:50 GMT, MUADIB® ran around screaming and yelling:

exactly.... LOL J

LMAO...no kidding....ain't that the truth...

Sneaks

What makes you think it would be with a woman??

Dave

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:09:16 -0500, "Dave Brower" ran around screaming and yelling:

Yikes!!! Dave you do bring up an interesting question...i don't really want to know the answer, but i think you may be correct in your questioning the original thought... J

that most certaintly is not what started this.

that is why you guys HARPED on in this discussion.

if a cop pulled me over and decided to give me a ticket I would suck it up. Mistake or not. Honest or intentional its the law. I have no problem with that. but when a machine does it.

you see that is the point you consistantly ignore. its the MACHINE doing it that causes me problems.

but you ignore this because you simply do not like me and it is convenient to spin things so that you can yell scream and make a big stink.

Chris Taylor

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:24:32 -0400, "Chris Taylor Jr" ran around screaming and yelling:

no sir, you have made that point clear..and most here have made it clear that it matters not, whether it is a machine or man, you break the law, you break the law...i don't ignore it because i don't likeyou, i ignore it because it is ignorant....you break the law and get caught, pay the fine and move on...now you can try another angle to make yourself feel better...doubt it will work..

Again you are ignoring the issue.

The machine is NOT capable of determining if the law was broken with 100% reliability. and until 100% reliability is viable I do not want machines judging and convicting me (AND THAT IS what they are doing)

you consistantly ignore the fact that it is possible to NOT break the law and still be "caught" by these machines.

I will ask this again. YOU legally and properly pay a toll. something makes it trip the camera anyway. it says you did not pay. PROVE you did. (since you WILL have to prove you did pay it) this has happened THOUSANDS of times in the last few years.

Camera Crews have RECORDED it happening on the local news.

Chris Taylor

Yeah, it sucks. Maybe you should stop driving, Chris. And pester your congressman, representative, local police. You ain't doing any good here.

Somewhat related - Ricers have been blasting by my house, burning rubber, hitting third gear just in time to blast through the uncontrolled intersection a house away. That's really moving, even for a Ricer. This is a small, two-block residential park-like area and the speed limit is 25mph. So I mentioned it in passing to a local cop. His response wasn't too encouraging. I added (in my hothead way) that I felt like stopping these perps and dragging their asses to court. He said "Well, you are a layperson and you don't have a speed gun calibrated and recognized by the court, so they will probably get off." Machines again.

Well do you agree you should have to pay the fine or not.

it sucks. and is therfore my duty (self appointed or otherwise) to fight in any which way I can.

Chris taylor

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:28:39 -0500, John Stafford , who was sitting in a corner eating his Xmas pie stuck in his thumb and pulled out a plum and began to run off at the mouth like so:

Two words: roofing tacks

-- Travis (Shaggie) '63 VW Camo Baja...

corrodes the vessel that carries it.

hehehe :-)

I have no problem with cops using machines in person. My problem is automated machines with no human physical presence.

as for ricers and crap. Grrr we had one next door for a while. 3am Screeeeeeech as he took off to go who the hell knows where.

thankfully that guy moved out a few years ago.

Chris Taylor

Ah, that street is also the exit for our driveways. I was thinking of something like a speedbump, maybe a boat anchor thown into the street.

Big pile of fresh Pico shit.

Randy

Like I said, that street is our...

Hey, here's a picture I took of Pico yesterday morning as I left for work. A certain gardener is going to be a little peeved.

Dunno who that lady in back is.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:24:13 -0500, John Stafford scribbled this interesting note:

We live on a relatively major residential street. It provides access for most of the entire neighborhood as well as one elementary school and one middle school. Even the school busses were exceeding 40mph (in a 35mph residential neighborhood) by a wide margin. The ricers were far worse as our street is downhill from both directions and relatively long and straight.

A neighborhood busy-body got on the job and contacted the city, circulated a petition up and down three blocks and got somewhere around 95% of the residents to agree to road humps. The cost turned out to be $100 per home in the affected blocks. In my opinion it has been cheap insurance.

One could say that these humps are *wrong* since they make everyone slow down to below the posted speed limit in order to traverse the length of these blocks. (If you go faster then somewhere between 5 and

10 mph you will bottom out on these humps.) One would be entirely welcome to hold this opinion since in effect an inanimate object is enforcing the law equally on everyone who decides to drive on our street, even if they were only going to drive the legal speed limit to start with. However One would be wrong in holding that opinion.

At least nowadays I do not run the risk of being driven over when exiting or entering our driveway. At least now traffic is at a reasonable speed, which is important with all the school kids that walk up and down the street every school day (and it is hundreds of them, I'm sure.) At least now the school busses have to drive at reasonable speeds instead of acting like they are in Formula 1 cars. At least now the ricers choose to drive on other streets, which is always a good thing (if you can't get rid of them entirely!:~)

It is all a matter of perspective. Yes, traditional selective enforcement by the police would be better, but those road humps are out there working for us 24/7, unlike the local police...

-- John Willis

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:21:22 -0500, John Stafford scribbled this interesting note:

Sounds like this comes from someone who actually knows this first hand.

Thanks John.

-- John Willis

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:22:34 -0500, John Willis , who was sitting in a corner eating his Xmas pie stuck in his thumb and pulled out a plum and began to run off at the mouth like so:

I DO KNOT RECOGNIZE THE WRIGHT OF AN INANIMATE OBJECT ENFORCING THE LAW AND WILL NOT SUCCUMB TO THEIR ORWELLIAN SCHEME TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I AM GUILTY BECAUSE I AM NOT AND IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE AND A MACHINE OR INANIMATE OBJECT WILL NOT TELL ME I AM GUILTY BECAUSE IT WAS NO HARM NO FOUL PLUS BIG BROTHER CANNOT FORCE ME TO DRIVE SLOWLY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING TO DO WITH A TOLL BOOTH WHERE A MACHINE TRIES AND CONVICTS ME OF SOMETHING I AM INNOCENT OVER SO THERE!!!!

-- Travis (Shaggie) '63 VW Camo Baja...

corrodes the vessel that carries it.