2.25 petrol, unleaded fuel and old petrol!

I'm considering whether it is feasible to put my 109 back on the road (again). In order to do so I need to clear up some points about unleaded fuel and the old 4 star which may still be in the tanks. Google searches seem to arrive at various answers, have we got a consensus yet?

2.25 on unleaded answers: 1) You need an unleaded head or fuel additives 2) As long as you don't thrash it you may get away with it 3) You need an unleaded head but run the leaded head until it packs up

If running on unleaded, do I need to change the timing?

Old 4 star fuel (over 5 years) answers:

1) It's no use anymore 2) It's no use anymore and it will knacker your sparkplugs 3) Try it, it might be OK

On the assumption that the old fuel is not going to help me start the thing, and may knacker the plugs some questions:

1) Will the fuel have evaporated from the tanks/system? 2) If it hasn't how do you get it out of the tanks and fuel pipes safely (is it still highly flammable)? 3) How to dispose of it. The local council recycling sites only mention used engine oil, not petrol?

How big a battery would be best based on dynamo charging?

If I manage to get it started, they'll likely be a million other similar questions...

Anybody got a cheapish MOT'd 88" for sale instead?

Reply to
John Halliwell
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Dont worry about the old fuel. It may run a bit lumpy till you get some clean stuff in, but wont cause any long term probs. As for the timing, yes, next time you tune it, you may want to allow for the lower octane, but as most of use tune these by ear, again, see what it runs like. At worst it will 'pink' a bit. As for the long term running on unleaded, popular theory says that unless you do a lot of constant speed motorway work, it will do no damage at all. Even if you did do 10,000 miles ayear up & down the M1 & it did cause a problem, it wouldnt be worth changing anything unless a problem developed. It is not worth getting an 'unleaded' head unless you need to change it anyway.

Hope this helps.

Reply to
TheGhostOfSmokeyJoe

I recently resurected an MG Midget which had sat for 10 years with a full tank of 4 star. It wouldn't do more than 40 mph and was not happy with it. Drained the fuel, put it in the Series 1 and it loved it. No probs.

You might want to clean out the carb first, otherwise just go.

Gordon

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Gordon

Well that has answered at least one of the questions about our Series 3. What additives can you use and in what ratio to petrol do you use?

Reply to
Nikki

I too have a 2.25 which I bought recently. The guy I bought it from says "Yeah, it runs on unleaded" - I'm not a landy expert so:

How do I know if I've got an unleaded head?

How would I know if I haven't got away with it? Will the engine just break or will it still run, but do loads of internal damage?

Is it worth buying one?

Pacman

Reply to
Pacman

That's saved me a job, as Bruce has just asked me to ask very similar questions!

Reply to
Nikki

Used to have an old Volvo 145... used to go karting regularly with a mate.. Now these Karters were serious about stale fuel, they used to buy it from their prefferd garage on the saturday morning, & dump any spare on the sunday (after mixing it with various 2 stroke oils...

You can guess what coming, I used to get them to 'dump' it staright into the Volvo, no problems whatsoever, & I didnt buy petrol for years...

Reply to
TheGhostOfSmokeyJoe

I use a Castrol additive (Its what the 12 year old in Halfords recommended).

Last night while filling up with unleaded & additive some guy in a older Volvo told me to throw that crap away and use Redex, claiming it is cheaper and better.

Does anybody have any strong feelings on the subject, given that many of the group don't seem to bother with LRP or Additives I don't suppose it matters much which flavour of additive is used.

Martin

1980 S3 109

Reply to
Martin (Wirral, UK)

Don't think it's possable to tell without taking the head off It is fitted with hardened valve seats

What tends to happen is the valves recess themselves into the head so the valve gap closes up, Just check the gap on a regular interval if it's not closing up you have got away with it or better still have an unleaded head

I would wait until the valves have recessed themselves into the head abit your actuall saving the engineering company so time as the have to machine this portion of head away to get the hardened seats in

Andy

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Andy.Smalley

recommended).

I use the Redex diesel additive from time to time, and it seems to smoke less on startup, and I get about 8% more miles out of a tank, but this is highly non-scientific data.

David

Reply to
David French

I may try the Redex additive, but I don't know if I'll be able to tell the difference anyway.

Reply to
Martin (Wirral, UK)

In article , Andy.Smalley writes

I think it's a fairly safe bet that unless the owner said it had an unleaded head it probably doesn't. If the owner said it does have an unleaded head, it may or may not.

Reply to
John Halliwell

In article , Gordon writes

There's not really enough in the tank so I may just mix some fresh in as well.

Thanks, sounds quite easy...

Reply to
John Halliwell

So if you took the head off to have a look, how would you tell then?

Reply to
Nikki

Clean up the head around the valves and you should be able to see the valve seat inserts as a slightly different colour / texture to the rest of the head they are shaped something like:-

h h e ___ ____ e a l l _l l_ l l a _d_ l / / \ \ l___d__ l__/ / \ \_ _l /_valve __\ \ \ \ insert

hope this helps (I'm rubbish at drawing stick men as well)

Andy

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Andy.Smalley

On or around Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:21:45 +0000 (UTC), "Andy.Smalley" enlightened us thusly:

I've taken the liberty of tidying up your ASCII_art (TM) -

one essential you forgot, you *have* to draw it and look at it in a fixed-pitch font.

the diagram show it all before assembly, once the seat insert is in place, it'll be flush with the surface, near enough.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

Thank you Austin, Bruce looked at it with eyes squinted and even tried without his glasses!

Reply to
Nikki

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