Maxima Headlights - Nissan settles with 02/03 NJ owners for $325k

Anyone get their Xenon headlights ripped off in NJ? If so, you may be able to claim some cash...

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Maxima owners to get piece of $325,000 for headlight thefts Friday, January 20, 2006 BY WAYNE PARRY Associated Press

Owners of Nissan Maximas whose headlights were stolen between December

2002 and November 2003 will share in part of a $325,000 payment the company is making to New Jersey to settle a lawsuit the state brought over the thefts.

In March 2004, the state sued Nissan North America, alleging the automaker failed to warn customers that the super-bright xenon headlights on its Maximas were hot targets for thieves.

More than 750 car owners were victimized by thieves trying to steal the moon-blue lights from 2002 or 2003 Maximas.

That lawsuit was dismissed, but the state appealed.

The settlement announced yesterday will end the state's appeal and provide for a $325,000 payment to the state Division of Consumer Affairs. Part of the money will be used to reimburse the state's investigative costs, with the rest going to consumers who had their lights stolen, said Peter Aseltine, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office.

He could not estimate how much individual vehicle owners might receive. The headlights typically cost about $1,800 to replace -- not counting repair costs for other damage done by thieves, which can bring the total to $4,000 or more.

The thefts have spread like a rash throughout suburban neighborhoods, with thieves targeting car dealerships and parking lots. In November, about a dozen concertgoers at Continental Airlines Arena walked out after a Bruce Springsteen concert to discover their headlights were plucked out.

And on Monday, police in Morris Township said 12 sets of xenon headlights were stolen from cars parked in business parking lots on Madison Avenue. The headlights were worth about $2,000 per set and taken from Acura, Infiniti and Lexus models.

Maplewood Police Capt. Walter Mueller said headlights were stolen routinely last summer until the police department assigned two officers to crack down on the thefts. The department made several arrests by the end of the summer.

"We had a rash of those, but they abated," Mueller said.

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Mueller said police speculated the suspects were trying to sell the headlights to chop shops.

The state said the company began a theft deterrent program in November

2003 that included free installation of a theft-deterrent bracket for the lights.

But in its 2004 lawsuit, the state claimed Nissan knew that its lights were being targeted by thieves for a year before telling customers about it.

Frederique Le Greves, a spokeswoman for Nissan, said yesterday the settlement was good for all parties.

"Really what is most important for us is the customer feedback," she said. "We want them to be happy with their Maxima and continue to drive it."

Le Greves said to her knowledge, no other state has taken legal action like New Jersey has.

The state's lawsuit alleges that on Sept. 26, 2002, the company issued a bulletin to its service technicians stating that a replacement connector kit was available for the headlights damaged by theft.

Two months later, the lawsuit alleged, Nissan sent another bulletin to service reps informing them that a $175 theft-deterrent kit was available "if a customer requests" and "for customer pay only."

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Dave Stone
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Try to buy one, there is NO such bird any longer. Nissan should have made these available at no or small cost to ANYONE that wants one on their Maxima. Thankfully my HID's are intact (knock on wood).

Reply to
Justin Sane

Why is Nissan stuck with the bill when Acura and Lexus suffered as well? Nissan was the biggest victim?

I just find it odd that a car company should pay for this. What is this world coming to? Does anyone remeber "sudden acceleration" and how it almost put Audi out of business? The US Government issued a final report years after the damage was done acknowledging that "sudden acceleration" was a farce. It was just stupid drivers who couldn't deal with pedals too close together, so they sued. Test drive the car, fool!

CD

Reply to
Codifus

I'm curious. What is the attraction of having this type of headlight. Does it really improve the experience of night driving? Is it considered "cool", or what?

I'm not being facetious. This is a sincere question.

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feynmanfan88

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in news:1138063410.704729.13700 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Real HID headlight systems, the kind the car makers often charge several thousand for (like on the Maxima), typically have a wider and brighter beam. YMMV. HID lights are kind of a status thing as most new luxury cars being sold today have them standard or available. They can even be optioned on a few $20k cars like the VW Jetta and Mazda3. Nissan has them standard on both the '06 350Z and G35 I think.

Do a google search for -Daniel Stern xenon- and you'll get a ton of hits from the lighting expert.

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Dave Stone

Codifus wrote in news:FceBf.123$ snipped-for-privacy@fe12.lga:

Well, the 02-03s were in the headlights of insurance companies everywhere, pardon the pun. Check the link. The HIDs were standard on all the Maximas in that time and apparently were very easy to remove.

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Dave Stone

It is a "cleaner" light to be sure.

I think the main reason that so many were stolen is obvious, unscrupulous body shops. Buy a set of stolen HIDs for a Max from the thief, install them into a car under front end repair, charge customer for a new set, make about $1500.

Reply to
Justin Sane

Actually I think most were stolen by wannabe's on the road. If you browse any of the automotive forums (hidplanet.com for example), the

18-20somethings measure their manlihood by their headlights these days.

Most of the users of these forums don't have cars that offer HIDs as standard equipment - so they retro-fit projectors, ballasts and the associated wiring into their existing headlamps.

All these retro-fit kits are out of other vehicles that offer factory-installed HID kits. Some source their parts legitamately, junk yard pulls, etc., but others ... one word, Ebay. And we all know how legit a lot of the stuff on Ebay is ;)

Enough said.

Nirav

96 Max GLE, 128, w/crappy 9004s
Reply to
njmodi

Not necessarily cleaner. The slight blue tint was put in simply for marketing reasons. If you look at the very first HIDs, like in the 99 Acura TL, the previous 2 generations of the Mercedes S class, they had HIDs, but they weren't as distinguishable from regular headlights due to the lack of tint and the fact that they were behind a regular headlight lense, not a projector mechanism or the clear ones like in the 2002-03 Maxima. Once the market has settled down and HIDs become a de facto standard, the blue tint will disappear and all HIDs will have a more yellow look to them because slightly yellow light is better than blue, especially in the rain or other adverse conditions.

CD

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Codifus

...Enough said. Nirav

96 Max GLE, 128, w/crappy 9004s Btw, its the stock wiring thats crappy from its birth: third of your electrons are lost heating the skinny wires, not enough to agitate the photons.

Remedy: wiring upgrade. Boost voltage at lamps from 10 --->to 14V.

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Wire to RH lamp relays, 2. Wire to LH lamp relays, 3. Wire to LH foglightrelay, 4. Wire to RH foglight relay,

Reply to
Wiikinki

HERE HERE!!! I agree, JEEZE now we are going to hold automobile manufactures responsible for thefts???? Especially because they made a NICE car? This is frivolous and ridiculous. "Oh I bought a nice car and it got ripped off and the dealer did not tell me it might be ripped off.....I WANT COMPENSATION!" BULLSHIT! get real, I have several nice cars and I know they are subject to theft, parts or the whole car, that is the price you pay for not driving a Ford Pinto! I am sorry I just can't go along with this, it is equivalent to "the gun jumped off the table and shot my friend" SOMEONE had their finger ON THE TRIGGER! and most likely they fully intended to shoot the person. I build custom computers for a living, am I now responsible to inform my customers that they are targets for theft? Should I have to replace it (or memory or hard drive or video card or any other part) FOR FREE because it was stolen? Talk about putting the little guy out of business!!! GOOD GRIEF!!! I just can not buy into this......I guess I am glad some folks got their money back, but it seems a little like bullshit to me. Nissan should FIGHT LIKE HELL against this, these kind of things make your warranty SUCK (less time, more "its not covered" and shit like that) You can bet your bippy, that in the end YOU as Nissan owners will be the ones paying for these shenanigans! AS will I being a Nissan owner X 2!

2Maximas
Reply to
Bitsbucket

I guess the Audi200 was first stock US sold car available to blondies, powerful enough to rip a carage door... Clearly this case was used to shield US markets from european cars.

Installing brittle enormously overpiced bits in car corners doesnt happen w/o plan to ripoff customers with these parts. Dirty game. Buyers should steer away, and surely they will at least after ripoff, being laughed at (paying bills). From that point of view, Nissan gets what they 'deserve.'

Legally this 'responsibility shift' to nissan is hillaryous logic: say its all right, problem left... [Lawyers Rule: local university statistics show, that books most stolen from its library, are lawbooks. Now what can we expect from these lawyers?]

Reply to
Wiikinki

I finally got some time to take some voltage measurements, and thought they might be of interest.

With car off I have 12.V at the head-lamp bulb connector: 12.2V and

12.V directly across battery terminals.

With the car running, I have 14.2V at the lamp connector. I didn't measure across the battery terminals with the car running.

So clearly my harness and wiring is not an issue. The connectors themselves are clean and snug.

The glass on the lamp housing is clear and clean (insides and outsides).

Cheers, Nirav

96 Max GLE, 128k
Reply to
njmodi

are lost heating the skinny wires, not enough to agitate the photons.

I finally got some time to take some voltage measurements, and thought they might be of interest.

With car off I have 12.2V at the head-lamp bulb connector and 12.4V directly across battery terminals.

With the car running, I have 14.2V at the lamp connector. I didn't measure across the battery terminals with the car running.

So clearly my harness and wiring is not an issue. The connectors themselves are clean and snug.

The glass on the lamp housing is clear and clean (insides and outsides).

So back to my point - the 9004 light output and beam pattern is not to my satisfaction. I think part of the problem may be that so many newer cars on the road have much brighter setups and perhaps all that glare from the oncoming traffic is confusing my eyes - i.e. my eyes react to the brighter oncoming lights and so when the traffic passes, my own lighting seems dimmer...

Thoughts?

Cheers, Nirav

96 Max GLE, 128k

PS: For those who are about to send me for an eye exam, I just had one a few weeks ago ;) and doc said I was fine.

Reply to
njmodi

The 9004 bulb seems to be 65/45 Watts of power consumption, which does not directly translate into the actual amount of light energy produced.

It seems that you can purchase variants of these bulbs that operate at different colour temperatures, which could account for a perception of differing brightness. You computer display usually has three different colour temperatures it can operate at for example and if you play with that, the apparent brightness of the monitor changes.

rtt

electrons are lost heating the skinny wires, not enough to agitate the photons.

Reply to
Richard Tomkins

I...With the car running, I have 14.2V at the lamp connector. I didn't measure across the battery terminals with the car running.... Can you pls repeat your results with and without load (=lamp):

  1. Idling, Voltage at lamp connector - when lamp is connected; LOAD ON = ?
  2. Idling, Voltage at lamp connector - as lamp is disconnected; LOAD OFF = ?
  3. Idling, Voltage at batt. (just interested)

  1. - 2. = transitional resistance loss. Fractions of volts 'do not matter', half volt and upwards brighness difference can be perceived with eyes...

The brightness difference between stock thinny wires vs. thick wiring is enormous, easy to DIY tst. Other issues are the lamp assy reflector condition, bulb age, type.

Reply to
Wiikinki

  1. At a glance, the connector didn't seem to have enough space to back-probe it
  2. 14.2V (that's what I measured yesterday)
  3. I'll do that tonight - easy enough

enormous, easy to DIY tst. Other issues are the lamp assy reflector condition, bulb age, type.

While I have no problems assembling a harness using a lower-gauge (i.e. thicker) wire, it's not clear to me how that will help, given that I'm seeing the right voltage at the lamp with my existing factory harness. If I was seeing a huge loss (transitional loss, as you call it), then I can see that making a difference.

I'm using a Sylvania standard halogen 9004 bulb. None of that teenager-special tinted stuff. I suppose the reflector could be losing it's shine, but the glass is crystal clear.

Cheers, Nirav

Reply to
njmodi

Yes - I am using the standard recommended 65/45W bulbs. Again - I'm not looking for whiter light, but just better output. With moderate street lighting, I can hardly even tell if my headlamps are on. Again, maybe that's how they have always been, but I'm noticing it more now that there are so many other cars on the road with better lighting technology/filaments/bulbs to compare with.

Cheers, Nirav

Reply to
njmodi

I usually shine my headlights and taillights at the white garage door to make sure they are all on and working, including the signal lights and sidelights.

Some street lighting is so bright these days that it overwhelms the headlights and I don't see if mine are on until I pull up behind another car.

You've measured all the correct voltages, the only thing you can do now is to see if they are aimed properly.

Find someone with a light meter and make measurements of your car and a neighbours car.

rtt

Reply to
Richard Tomkins

...didn't seem to have enough space to back-probe it...Cheers... No 'space' needed.

Sorry, u have to stay content with your oil lamps.

My lamps are more than 30% brighter than yours. Of course this voltage, filament brightness increase consumes lamps 50% faster, but theyre cheap, see

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Wiikinki

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