If Ford had Cummins?

heh.....on my '96 it was just the spindles. :-)

I'm not saying its "acceptable", I'm saying its inevitable.... mechanical things fail. The number of failures MUST be compared to the longevity and the number of units in service, as well as the same figures from other designs. Not doing so leaves huge gaps in the information provided by a single number.

"Betting" and "proven as fact" is the difference between assumption and logical conclusion.

i understand. the problem for me is what is a normal failure rate? it seems that even if you stretch the mileage out to 100,000, one in 5 seems high, but i have no friggin clue as to what a "normal" failure rate would be. i sure hope it is less than 1 in 5, but i don't know. i mean, i hope that engineers can design a lp that would last over

100,000 miles. if they told you when you bought your diesel, that you had a 20% chance of getting stuck alongside the road at some point by the 100,000 mile mark, would you buy it? im not sure i would. i plan to put well over a 100,000 miles on my diesel but i didn't plan on rolling the dice with 20% odds against me that i would get stuck somewhere with an engine shutdown. i bet the '03 and above failure rate is way under that. and even at 100,000 miles, is 20% failure something that dc should have blown off? if so, they stand to lose a lot of customers.

Yup, you got one of the overweight, increased coefficient of drag units.

I still say the 94-02 body and the 00-02 diesel are the best choices

Why not contact American Axle and see what they say about it?

is it inevitable? not trying to be a smart ass, i really wonder. this is interesting. do you think that 1 out of 5 dodge diesel rams break down and leave the owner stranded within the first 100,000 miles? that may be the case, but it would concern me. those are not good odds. do you think that excluding all lp failures, that there is a

20% failure rate of the trucks in the first 100,000 miles that leaves the driver stranded? if so, the odds of a bad failure are one heck of a lot higher than i ever dreamed of (i mean that would be 20% for lp and 20% for all other reasons, which would be around 40%). if not, then the lp causes more failures than all other things combined and that sucks in itself, when you consider the way dc denied lp problems and layed it off on bad fuel and bombing. that would just put us back to the original point, dc really did drop the ball with the lp problem and the customers should be pissed!

The more complex the machine, the higher the odds of failure. The questions are the same as before. As to the odds of getting left to sit along the road, they are probably higher than what would be comfortable for a salesperson to discuss with a customer. Of course, what salesdroid would discuss a vehicle's failure rate?

One thing you can't do is add the failure rates. If 100 components on the truck have a failure rate of 1%, your conclusion below would doom the vehicle to failure in the 1000% range.

Where are you guy's getting this failure rate at 100,000? The friggin' things were dropping like flies between 12,000-20,000 miles before dc changed them. That is why a fuel pressure gauge was so damn important, so you could catch it before ya lost the i pump. In 100,000 miles you could go through a few of them. When I sold my 2K, two had been changed out. The third was a new # and if I remember the truck had about 65 maybe 70K when I sold it.on it. Oh, there was one behind the seat as well. You guy's can call it "rampant" "wide spread" or "apple pie". It sucked and dc sucks for letting it continue for so long. But, it is moot now.

Roy

Roy

yup you got it.

which is why we're all seeking the facts.

this is my understanding as well, that the normal failure rate was as you suggest and that i was "lucky" that mine lasted to nearly 100,000 miles. i want to get hard numbers together to encourage honest responses to my charges.

Nate, I can't keep up with you and trucks. Did you buy the truck new?

Roy

The failure rate quoted by the CUmmins article claimed a 17% failure rate "within the warranty period." The warranty period is 100,000 miles. Thus the failure rate included lp's that would have failed for reasons other than the vibration problem that caused the early failures.

Good luck with that, since the only sources that have complete and solid numbers will be Cummins or DC. They are very unlikely to release such data.

nor can i. :-)

no, i bought it a couple days before the pump was repaced. i have no way of knowing if it was the first or fifth failure.

Comes to mind if a truck has 2,3 or 4 failure's, I'd venture that they count it as 1 failure, as it occured in the same unit.

Roy

Kinda make's ya stop and wonder, don't it. ?

Roy

well..........on the bright side, apparently it appears that the lp was warrantied as part of the engine (100,000 miles) rather than part of the fuel system, which i think fell under the standard warranty period, whatever the heck that was for second gens.