If Ford had Cummins?

nothing to add, just felt it worthy of quoting.

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Nathan In Montana
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No, you HAVE over estimated it. Plainly put, the sales of Cummins trucks did NOT increase with the restyle, while the sales of ALL Rams DID increase with the restyling. As such, Cummins did not sell more trucks in the way that a complete restyling did. The numbers speak for themselves, even if you would ignore them.

Incorrect. You made statements of "fact" that are easily proven incorrect. Bringing another variable into the discussion does exactly what you say it does... you are trying to distract attention from your failure to bring facts to bear in forming an opinion.

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Max Dodge

Ok, so rather than look at the facts, lets limit the exposure to those facts so the stuff directly inside the window is the only reference. Everything else doesn't count.

Yup, no real change here, its the same Nate.

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Max Dodge

YOU made the statement. if i knew you were going to be an ass about it i wouldnt have bothered to ask.

and how is that superior to the dmax which is doing it at less weight? it was afterall, YOU who made the big deal about more power from less weight, or does that only apply to the argument when YOU are using it to your benefit?

NOPE! you arent going to turn that on me. i made general statements and you responded to them. when i called you on it, you try to spin your way off your own statements by throwing personal insults. nice try.

of course, if you didnt try to backpeddle and spin you wouldnt be the max we have all grown to know and love. :-)

it "proves" that the issue was NOT limited to modified trucks as you ridiculously claim. my truck was 100% stock and the LP died at around

99,990 miles or so. the fuel pump was still good, but cummins replaced it anyway "just incase" (cummins advisors words) since my warranty was so close to expiration.

lol.....youre in such blinding denial that it shows just how full of shit your entire argument is. go into the camping forums and tell the nice folks there your totally ridiculous statement about LPs being limited to modified trucks, and how failures were rare amongst stock trucks.

im really disappointed in you max. to disagree is one thing. to argue a point when everyone reading knows better shows youre either completely stupid (i dont believe that) or blinded by loyalty of some kind. regardless, you sir are completely WRONG on this issue.

if it was in a d/c truck honored by a d/c warranty like it or not it is ultimately a d/c f*ck up. YOU try again.

oh yes. now you have news releases and tech articles limiting LP failures to modified trucks? is roy dreaming about carrying spares around?

sheesh....grow up.

i never said SHIT about truck owners. i was referencing what the v6 does to JEEPERS.

not yet, and hopefully they wont. they are hardly the profitable company you suggest though.

news flash for YOU. the economy is weakening.

not raising it does not mean that it isnt to high. its still MUCH higher than 2 years ago.

sheesh there you go. at the time it wasnt a bad financial decision, but either way its no big deal. some of us earn enough to soak it up. some of us dont have to wait on an inheritance to buy new trucks. some of us do what we have to in order to maintain our lifestyle, but paying interest will ALWAYS hurt.

all i said was that it fell as fast as it rose. taking whats left and making other cars from the parts isnt the same thing as the k car doing it for the company.

heh.....its never stopped you before, i dont know why i would expect different of you now.

those who buy freightliners are typical joe six-packs. they dont buy into the marketing like the average truck buyer does.

i disagree. more power, more torque at the same rpm, with better fuel economy. on paper the dmax is the one to buy.

nice spin off the point there. you have bought ONE new chrysler vehicle in the last 7 years. i have bought 7 new vehicles (i forgot about the wifeys cherokee the first time around) and 1 used one. i am exactly what d/c and other companies need, returning customers.....and i find Z ignorant. regardless of the merit of your argument, who is more important to d/c.....someone who buys 1 vehicle in 7 years or someone who buys 7?

now spin off that with an insult.

corporate executives typically buy freightliners for their fleets, NOT joe six-pack which is who i have referenced from the start.

i dont think you have. youve said hes done great things, but havent been specific.

im not dumping on him, i simply find him arrogant. although youve retracted it since, you agreed with me at one point.

it DOES matter. if i sell you 3 widgets from which i profit $1 each from, or one superwidget from which i profit $4, from where have i made the most money?

im not saying anything conclusive.....im saying that to reach an accurate conclusion, you need these figures.

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Nathan In Montana

just as you have UNDERestimated it.

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max.

i stated my OPINION on the topic at hand, and the FACTS are irrefutable (such as the LP issue)

BULLSHIT. clue max, opinions are just that, OPINIONS. opinions are not formed of fact, else they would be FACTS.

......holy shit and you used to be a teacher?

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Nathan In Montana

like the LP issue being limited to modified trucks?

you get YOUR "facts" straight before you question mine.

and its DEFINATELY the same old max.

.....i still love ya anyway. ;-)

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Nathan In Montana

I find this interesting because dodge and Cummins don't seem to agree on engine power output. on the Cummins link above they claim 350hp and 650 torque on the 6.7

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but on this dodge link, dodge is claiming 305hp and 610 torque on a 6.7 cab and chassis truck.

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Chris Thompson

apparently dodge requires the engine be detuned for their application.

ok, what now max? sorta REALLY blows your argument out of the water. now the dmax on paper is FAR superior, making WAY more torque at the same rpm from a lighter engine.

wow, thats less power and the same torque as my '05.

.....now im not about to jump from my cummins to any dmax, but once again it does show the merit of max's argument.

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Nathan In Montana

if so i dont see why, the nv5600 and g56 have been holding up well on the bombed trucks as far as i know. autos are always a problem with performance upgrades but obviously they can be built to hold the power so why dodge wouldnt build it that way from the factory to accomodate the new engine i wouldnt know.

i said the same thing...im waiting to see if in a year or 2 it doesnt get unleashed to what Cummins claims.

im guessing, but could it be an auto trans issue holding it back? or maybe who ever wrote the code for their website has the info wrong or (heaven forbid any one do this) typo'd.

i dont know thats just merely speculation on my part.

i dont blame you. i didnt post that to debunk max i was just posting a curious controdiction between the 2 companies websites as i had noticed it months ago.

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Chris Thompson

i can only guess (max, this is MY OPINION) that it would be to keep the warranty claims down. its a real shame, we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel.

that would be sweet to see, but i think dodge would have to rebuild a lot of the truck around it.

that would be my guess, although i was told that the stock 48RE was good for

850 ft. lbs. by the tranny tech at my local dodge dealership.

i understand completely.......i just couldnt give up the opportunity to show the omnipotent one that even he can be wrong sometimes.

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Nathan In Montana

well this is a little off this topic, but a while back you asked about a toy hauler.. how did that turn out? im curious as to how functional they are for family camping. as i am torn between the toy haulers or a more conventinal

5ver when i get ready to get one. (still a few years away though)

and to stay with the topic of this thread *grin* if ford and dodge both used the cummins isb i'd still drive the dodge!

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Chris Thompson

im still looking, but decided to wait until november/december. camper dealers are more willing to deal when its 10 below zero, like snowmobile dealers are more willing to deal in june. :-)

i guess it depends most upon your toys. if it werent for my 4 wheelers i wouldnt go camping nearly as much, so without them i really wouldnt even need a camper at all. i like going up into the mountains, setting up the camper, and hitting the trail. if you have toys you need a toy hauler, unless you plan on pulling tandem trailers. in all reality the truck camper works best for the places i go, but its just not quite big enough for when the whole family comes along. i could upgrade to a bigger truck camper, but it still wouldnt be big enough. id _really_ like to just get a class c camper and pull my enclosed trailer with it, but class c 4x4s are rare and really over-priced.

that said, and to keep on topic, if the earth roamer (based on a 4x4 F550

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) gets the cummins ill spend the $200,000 on one. :-) ......see, i DID tie that in to be on topic. lol

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Nathan In Montana

see my problem is I don't need another truck to license be taxed on and maintain.

with a slidein I know my wife would never go, they just don't have the room. and I've got to consider her comfort too.

I know I wouldn't be able to tow the boat and camper tandem (30 foot of boat trailer behind 30 foot of camper is probably a little excessive) the golf cart or a motorcycle or a sidebyside would be more what id like to take along. heck even jet skis could roll up in and avoid the whole tandem thing.

let me know how it works out for you, if you would. id be interested to know how the family likes it when they are using it as a camper ect.

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Chris Thompson

gotcha. i on the other hand, enjoy doing just that for some damn reason. :-)

they have some really nice once, and some really big ones. if it was just me and the wifey what i have now would be perfect.

i didnt even think about a boat. would be awful tough there without going tandem or a truck camper. if its just you and the wife, perhaps you should consider some of the larger truck campers with slide outs. i didnt go that route because as the wife and i travel we take turns driving while the other sleeps in the camper. with the slide outs slidden in it takes up to much room and blocks bathroom access, etc.

will do. that earthroamer sure would be nice with a cummins! :-)

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Nathan In Montana

The C&C truck is definitely a de-tuned engine, because of the transmission options. Starting in January, the regular 2500/3500 pickups will be available with the 350/650 engine, when equipped with the new 68RFE auto.

6spd manuals will still be 325/610, I believe.

Oh, and BTW - the Dmax is also de-tuned in manual trans configurations, too :)

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Tom Lawrence

if i didnt want this to be family events i'd get a slidein for me and the boys. like i said me and tara have looked at slide-ins and came to the decision that they (even with the slides) dont have the room she wants. another snag with a slide-in is my truck is a 2500 it doesnt take a whole lot of slidein to be pushing upper limits of payload capacity.

well that was one of the reasons we got the diesel liberty. it has the trailer tow capacity to pull the boat. and does it fairly well, atleast as well as you can expect a small truck to handle that size trailer. we have used it on the past couple of holiday weekends to launch the boat at the local lake. its much easier to park that combonation in a overly crowded launch parking lot than it is with the lwb dodge.

thanks man, and yea that looks like a nice rig....if only it had a good engine *grin*

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Chris Thompson

why do you think they are detuning the engine for the standards? the clutch or another reason?

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Chris Thompson

Thanks, Mike... that's exactly the kind of figures that I was curious about...

I was one of many that thought the 95 was bugly when it first came out and wondered why so many 1500's were popping up in the neighborhood..

That front end sure grew on ya, though.. i have 2 of 'em..lol Mac

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mac davis

Well, you have to consider all the options, Mike.. lol

Personally, I'd have a tough choice between the Dodge and Ford 3/4 ton four doors....

When I was shopping in 2004, what I decided that I wanted was an F250 super duty

4 door with a Cummins and an Allison tranny... *lol*

Mac

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mac davis

It will be interesting to see how those figures look in 10 years.

With alternative fuels (biodiesel, ethanol) getting more attention than ever and diesel engines becoming an option in vehicles that have not offered it previously, I think the U.S. is headed towards a blend of vehicles similar to a European mix. Which means more diesels on the road.

IMO, DC would be crazy to abandon Cummins as their diesel offering. The reputation alone virtually guarentees a larger chunk of the market in the future if they can offer the Cummins in other models.

Craig C.

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Craig C.

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