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Miles:

I believe the technical term for that is hypocrisy.

Mike

You two are amazing!! I doubt there has been a thread in the past couple of years that you guys have paticipated in that hasn't had a political slant tossed in by one of ya.

Oh, I think I'm going to opt for the Toyota hybrid. Because I want to. Also 'cause it is I heard it is union made.

needs...typical

Well, at least this time the political BS had nothing to do with me. Miles brought up Kerry and Gore and I said nothing about the right at all.

Let us know how that works out as I said, my wife is looking in that direction as well.

Yawn.

That is correct and I needed the truck and still do but it is not my primary transportation.

More spin and BS.

Once again, complete BS. If that were true, there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no Hummers on the road. Those that have little money and are responsible try and get the most for their money but for many, it is a status symbol.

I don't use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. I don't know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable.

LOL, I'm sure that you didn't sell the truck because of environmental reasons.

Please back this up and not with hard right leaning sources.

How exactly is he going to get around from one side of the country to the other, walk.

It's all entertainment!

You should buy the car that fits your needs whatever that maybe! Which union, American or Japanese? lol. Are there any cars built in the USA that aren't union made?

Yea, Toyota, and IIRC Honda

For them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. So yes Tom, it is true.

Great. Let us know what you get. The PT Cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. It was too small for my needs though.

People buy what they need and those needs vary. You have a gas guzzling polluting truck and I don't think thats because of environmental reasons.

Hard right leaning sources huh? Gore doesn't hide the fact he lives in a huge mansion nor is it a secret which car he drives, rents nor his preferred transportation mode of a fuel guzzling polluting jet.

How about not flying all over the country for his $100,000 speaking gigs about how we should all stop polluting? Until he does so he is no one to talk.

How do US Auto workers at Toyota plants compare with US Union workers as far as benefits go?

How many non union auto workers have been layed off in recent years compared with US auto union workers?

Whether you believe that global warming is actually occurring or not (I do based on the data from experiments I have personally been involved in), one thing we can agree on is that we should leave the earth, at the very least, in as good or better shape as we found it.

With the population booming, that means that we have to do better with emissions from cars and industry.

Put whatever spin you want on it, whether it be global warming, lung cancer from bad air, neurological disorder from bad water, etc. ... the need to control the pollution is the key.

Craig C.

I guess that in a distorted way it is.

I was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again, with reasonable performance and good economy. I am simply not impressed with DC's lineup this year and I want a standard shift which indicates Ford, GM or Toyota.

I do indeed but as I said before, it is out of need and is not my primary transportation.

Many people live in large houses but that doesn't mean that they are not efficient. Do you know what his utility bills are? Do you know what type of lights he has, where the temperature of his mansion is set to, how many zones the climate control system has??? If not then you are just making ASSumptions. Have you seen his movie yet and if not, perhaps you should. It may explain a few things to you.

LOL, if there were not so many idiots with their heads in the sand then he wouldn't have to.

Which means that while most of the rich are getting richer, the rest of us are either for the most part static or taking the hit.

NOT.

More smoke and mirrors. First of all, the unemployment figures are based on the number of people collecting so once they run out of time, they come off of the unemployed numbers as well. Second, the unemployment figure does not take into account how much the new job pays compared to the old one so if a person loses a $60,000 a year job due to outsourcing and takes another at Wallmart making $25,000, the unemployment number looks good but the lifestyle of that family is significantly reduced.

Where Miles, in the lower paying service industry and even lower paying retail.

It means no such thing as you have yet to give me a link to single person income, just that family of four crap where all income is added, including childrens. For example, a person loses his $50,000 a year job due to outsourcing. He finds another job but due to the number of people with his skills looking for work due to the same outsourcing, he can only get $35,000. Now that is not enough money so the wife gets a job as well. She gets one at HD for around $25,000 a year (which is really high for HD) but they have two kids and one is to young to be left at home alone they now have to pay for day care which sucks about $12,000 in increased expenses not to mention the increased cost of living that comes from two people working. Of course, they can no longer afford to give their son Johnny his allowence anymore so he gets a part time job delivering papers and cutting lawns and makes around $3,000 a year. Now your bullshit median income will show this family with an increase of $13,000 a year and will attribute that to the "booming" economy which is complete bullshit when in reality it is due to a piss poor economy for most and while they are bringing in more money, their disposable income and quality of life is significantly reduced.

Read above and I have said this before. Provide a link showing individual income which would be the only valid thing that would prove you right otherwise, STFU already.

Actually Miles, it has nothing to do with the people I know. Gubberment reports say that many of the service jobs that have appeared to replace the massive amount of factory jobs that have left are lower paying and have less or no benefits and as you like to say, go look it up.

Want a two seater roadster with kick ass performance? Try this:

Here's the good news ... it's cleaner than a hybrid. It's all electric and blows away anything on the road.

The deal with Gore's mansion has been blown WAY out of proportion, mostly by right-wing media.

Yes, he has a mansion. So what?

Yes, he uses a lot of energy ... So what? All of the energy is generated by renewable sources.

He has a jet. So what? 90% of its use is to spread awareness about environmental problems that we all face. It's like the old saying, "you have to spend money to make money". In this case, he pollutes a little to spread awareness. At some point it needs to stop. I'll be watching to see if it does.

And ... he drives a Prius, not a gas guzzler as miles indicated.

Craig C.

That's what I mean!

Shit, I don't know anymore. I don't know if the hybrid's are made here or not

I do know that the UAW took a big hit with Delphi.

A vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway.

How so?

0-60 in 4 seconds. I've seen video of this car smoking a Lambo and Ferrari in the 1/4 mile. You know of a gas powered vehicle that can do that? Top speed 135 mph, 200 mile range ... without a drop of gas.

There is one that is even faster, I can't remember the name of it. Made in France.

Tesla is is a US company with UK partners.

And ... it looks good. I can see me in one someday. :-)

Craig C.

Let's see.. Charger SRT8 0-60 4.5 seconds, 1/4 mile, 12.8 is the best I've seen so far, around 175 for top speed. The vette Z06 is much quicker and faster.

How much gas does it use in that 1/4 mile?

:-) Craig C.