I got a Dodge with POWER now im thinking or trading it for one that gets
some mileage. Was going to get a diesel then "they" raised the price of fuel
another $ .50 cents a gallon. Sooo no point in putting up with the
associated problems in a deisel in the cold climate we have here in MN for
higher priced fuel. Well im thinking about a Nissan Titan to pull my 7,800
lb TT with but have no idea what they get for pulling mileage.
They say 14 to 18 mpg I suppose that is NOT pulling. My Present Dodge gets
8-8.5mpg, pulling, not pulling, flat land, mountains all the same- 8 mpg.
There is much to do about "chips" for more power BUT are there any "chips"
for more mileage? I love that truck-- I hate the mileage it gets. Sacrafice
power for mileage? in a heartbeat! Any usefull advice appreicated, Flames
ect. will be ignored Thanks, Tom.
I'm a little confused here. You have the need for a Cummins, then fuel goes
up as it always does in the winter and now a Nissan will get it done for
ya??? What associated problems in a cold climate? Below zero plugging it in?
Jusy nosey...fuel goes *up* where you are in the winter? Always goes down
around here, just thought that was universal. Huh, learn something new and
useful every day.
The minute the tourists and the snowbirds shuck out of town, gas prices drop
ten cents, like clockwork. If it gets really nasty and lousy to drive, it
goes down another five. Michigan...we love our tourists (I guess...;>)
Used to be everything at the gas station went down pretty much parallel...of
course, used to be diesel was cheaper, too...I haven't actually looked
lately. Probably showing my age, remembering when diesel was one pump
around back, maybe...;>)
Last winter in ohio diesl was 40 to 60 cents more a gallon than gas for
about 5 or 6 months and now it more than a buck more here (I saw gas
today for 2.13 and diesel for 3.29 but I have seen diesel around here
for as much as 3.49/gallon. The days of cheap deisel are gone for good I
fear and I heat with oil now but I may switch to propane hear because it
has not skyrocketed around here and is still cheap by todays standards.
I've been putting off ordering propane 'cause I just know I'm gonna cringe
at the price...but I guess it could be worse, I could still heat with oil...
I've got a wood stove sitting outside the basement steps just waiting for me
to get industrious enough to haul it down cellar and get it set up, but I'm
in winter denial...it's been so freakin' gorgeous that I can't get my brain
around the fact it's going to get cold. I've got to get it in gear...the
woodstove, and that nasty clunk when I engage four wheel drive...probably
better do something about that, too...sigh.
so what? its STILL cheaper than buying TWICE as much gasoline (when
i dont blame you for "thinking about it" but actually buying one to tow
7,800 pounds would be a dumb move.
cut that in half when towing 7800 pounds.
rethink the diesel option. pulling nearly 10,000 pounds on flat land now im
getting almost 16mpg when i drive with sense. when driving in the mountains
i tend to get around 15 pulling the same trailer.
And if you live around hear you are paying a buck more a gallon for the
fuel to so you are saving nothing. You can tow well with gas motors and
get resonable MPG to if you rig is geared correctly for the road. I have
been towing with gas for 30 years and I have no plans of switching now
and I have a friend that bought a Dmax to save money on fuel but he
wishes now that he had bought a gas truck because he is losing money
twice on the deal, price of truck and cost to operate it.
youre still saving money if you have to buy twice as much gas.
certainly......just not as good as you can with a diesel....._especially_
when you bring mountains into the equation, but my statement stands even on
your friend made a critical mistake in buying a v8 diesel. yes, a v8 diesel
can make just as much power/torque as an inline diesel but its going to do
it at a higher rpm and its going to burn a lot more fuel doing it.
But I am not using twice as much gas,and I do not have to plug in my
truck on cold winter nights and put 12 or 14 quarts in the crankcase and
listen to the engine rattle all the time not to mention the extra 6 or 7
grand it cost too. If you like a oil burner fine if you like them but
you are not saving any money with one in todays market. When you factor
all the costs, you are loosing money with one so it is not cheaper to
drive one today.
Oh bullshit! List for the Cummins is 5K and ya get other stuff with it.
Cummins will out work and out last a gas engine. Cummins is 300K plus before
tear down. I'm sure you have a chevy gasser that has 300K and is just
wonderful. Fuel here is 30 cents more than gas. I plug mine in at home cause
the heat is nice, at work when it sits for 24 hours it starts right up. The
common rail is much quieter. Your gasser depreciates like a rock/ IIrc the
return on a Cummins starts at 100K.
Not likely, If you service a gas engine correctly and add a engine oil
cooler like the oil burner has to have (it will die without one), it
will last about as long and when it time comes it will be a lot cheaper
to fix. Everyone that says how great and cheap oil burners are NEVER
factor in the cost of buy and maintaining one and now the higher cost of
fuel and not to mention the the front of the truck weighs about 700 or
800 pounds more up front with a cummins in it and removes payload
capacity because the GVW of a like gas truck is the same. They did not
redesigned the frame and front end for that weight either and give it it
own front end, it is the same frame and front end that is used in a gas
truck. Dodge quietly replace the front axle design in 03 because of the
problems they were have with front drive axle on CTD models from added
weight. I run a few plow trucks and have for years and I know that I can
start my gas trucks a minus 20 quickly with no heat and be on my way
quickly if need be and I can shut it off anytime anywhere in any weathr
and know i can restart it and I do not have to leave it banging away
wasting fuel to keep it warm. I can go to a drive thru and not have to
shout or turn my engine off to be heard either and nobody knows I am
coming until a get there either because it is quiet and nobody knows I
am in a truck when on cell phone either. Again if you like them fine but
cheap and lasts longer, that is BS because you can rebuild a gas engine
for a lot less than a Cummins and just a rebuilt injector pump and
injector can cost a lot more that a completely rebuilt gas motor. First
time that oil burner breaks out of warranty, you will pay through the
nose to fix it. Diesels have a place but not in my P/U and at todays
fuel price they make even less sense. Gas here is 2.13 and diesel is 3.34
No you are just blinded thats all. I drove a C70 triaxle dump in the
later 70's while going to college and it had over 150K on it when drove
it and it was still going strong and it had a 60K GVW too. I also knew a
old man that did some part time hauling back then, he was retired and
had a 58 C60 single axle dump chevy with a 6 banger and a 8 speed (4x2)
and he regularly hauled 8 ton of asphalt or gravel with it and did fine
and it was nearly 20 years old and still stock and ran like a fine
watch. I guess these trucks got along fine without a Cummins back then.
You have the problem because you seem to think to tow and to last long,
you have to have a oil burner but that is simply not true and they are
not any cheaper to drive these days either. Your properly cool and
maintain a gas motor, it will run a very long time.
Sure it did it, but at twenty miles per hour top speed with a load!!
I grew up on a farm, we grew wheat and oats, I also helped neighbors bring
in the grain. Most everyone had a truck of some sort. Loaded few trucks
would make the speed limit within a few miles on the highway, unless you
could find a long down hill grade. I drove beet truck for my sister a couple
of years back, 427, with a 5 x 4 transmission. Ran that thing to the floor
for 4 miles with a load, it topped out at 45 miles an hour. The neighbor
hauling beets off his land across the road would blow right by me with his
diesel powered truck.
Gas is fine if you seldom pull a load. If you pull a load often, once you go
diesel you will never go back!
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