In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into a
veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota stuck.
The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in the paper
were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota dealer that they
received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. And so it has begun.
And yet much more to come.
Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents
of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3
That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting.
That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space
THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the
challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better
than the space shuttle after all is said and done.
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I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco hit the
press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and models
flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all the
publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. Strange things
happen when people start thinking they can cash in.
Let's look at some facts:
- 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident.
- Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident).
- Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals.
- 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals.
- The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three
involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers.
- Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard about
I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a
tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions...
As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to
trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election
campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they
Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It
seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales
for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing market
What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into
slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think
LaHood is his own man here? Nope.
OTOH,it might be just that the media began NOTICING the SUV rollovers,and
reporting nationally on every one that happened,instead of just local
Kinda like reaching critical mass.... ;-)
Now,I've been reading that the Obama administration's -reaction- to the
Toyota recall may be due to union influence,considering Toyota is NON-union
and a "foreign" automaker. (although it's cars have more domestic content
than many "American" vehicles,that may be made in Canada or Mexico.
On the Prius brake/cruise control problem,considering that car is a hybrid
electric(with integral computer control of throttle/braking),I can see
software bugs cropping up. Sometimes it takes a while to encounter a SW
bug,particularly under unusual conditions. Like what happens if a ROM's
data is corrupted;lose a byte here or there,in the wrong place,and you have
a potentially hazardous condition waiting to be discovered.There's all
sorts of reasons memory data could get corrupted,AFTER the car is shipped
At least aircraft have redundant systems.
that's why I'm not so hot on drive-by-wire autos;SW glitches.
well, i drove a prius extensively this past summer, and found it to be a
smooth, finely engineered vehicle - no glitches, flaws, or mistakes in
performance anywhere. responsive too. wouldn't hesitate to recommend
one for driveability.
i also drove a chevy hhr, and if there is an example of "fly-by-wire"
done wrong, the hhr is it - what a piece of crap. whoever decided a
vehicle needs a 3-second delay on mid-throttle response needs a good
kicking in the gonads.
Geeze, you drove a Prius for a whole summer without any braking
problems, and that proves it is great automobile.
I have driven A WHOLE BUNCH OF GM CARS FOR OVER 34 YEARS with 'no
glitches, flaws or mistakes in performance anywhere".
I would recomend any of them for driveability, as well.
Of course, my 34 years of GM dont count for much, because you drove a
TOYOTA FOR A WHOLE SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that makes you an expert on the reliablity on Toyota products.
And, I guess, I need to own GM products for another 34 years before I
begin to know anything about them.
You really sound stupid when you try to say the couple of miles you
drove this car proves it is better than a brand that someone else has
driven for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Without sludge problems.
Or accelerator sticking problems.
Or rusting problems.
Or breaking problems.
Of course, none of the above problems really exist on Toyotas.
You know that because you drove a Prius for a summer.
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"They are being set up."
I argued GM was being unfairly slammed for many years.
Your turn to argue Toyota is being done the same way.
I would wish you good luck in your crusade to prove they ain/t being
done the same way, but I dont want to be a liar.
I hope they have to recall another 20,000,000 vehicles, and listen to
the likes of you try to defend it.
well apparently you haven't bothered to check out the competition. and
you haven't lifted the lid on quality either.
breaking? or braking?
1. the fundamental problem with your position is swallowing the red
herring that there is a "problem" with toyota. if there's a "problem"
with toyota, why are we not also hearing about the much more common
problems with frod and bmw? their failures outnumber toyota's >100:1.
2. "the likes of me" know a little about engineering and q.c. why "the
likes of you" buy unreliable, poor handling, gas guzzling cars for the
same price as a better japanese vehicle defeats all logic.
3. if your argument is that of xenophobic flag flying, you will
doubtless be disappointed to learn how underinformed you are: gm are the
largest "outsourcers" of component manufacture in the industry - keeping
gm alive gives jobs primarily to chinese component manufacturers, not
I have never read CR, literally never. My extreme dislike of American
vehicles is based on life experience.
My experience with domestic vehicles has been far different than your
own. Based on my experience, it would be completely illogical to buy
something like the 2001 Impala that my neighbor owned which threw a rod
at 37K miles and was in the shop for warranty issues almost as much as
it was on the road before the self-destructing engine caused her to
trade the car in.
As a replacement, she bought a Toyota that has performed very well for
over 5 years now.
People did not just start hating domestic vehicles because it is trendy,
there is a very logical reason for it. I would not own a GM if it were
given to me, I would sell it immediately.
Never, ever again on any GM crap. The job losses are perfectly
understandable, to be expected, in fact.
Same with Ford, I have owned two POS Fords and my parent's owned the
worst lemon ever in the form of a Ford LTD.
That LTD had problems that seemed like a practical joke. It actually had
a heater that would not turn off during the Texas summer, the horn
button popped off, the taillight covers fell off at random, the list
goes on and on.
They owned it less than a year before admitting their mistake and
switching to imports only from that point to today.
Never again, and I mean never. You can argue the equal quality of
domestic vehicles forever, but it won't make people like me buy one.
I, OTOH, have caused a good number of people to step back and rethink
their buying decision towards a reliable car when they start to glance
at the inferior domestic car market.
I've bought "foreign" because "US" automakers simply didn't make the
small,sporty performance coupes I prefer.
Then there's the ergonomics,quality and resale value.
I also note the large number and types of recalls the domestics have had.
I wish Honda would make the Prelude again.
I also wish small cars weighed under 2800 lbs.;cars have gotten too
heavy,making mileage worse.
IMO,no "small" car should need a V-6 to propel it at a decent performance.
That is what I like about my early Miata, it only weighs about 2200
pounds, maybe 2300 with the aftermarket parts, and I like roadsters.
That car moved pretty nicely with 116 hp out of a 1.6 liter, but it now
has a 1.8 liter with a turbo that puts out about 200HP at the wheels.
The boost/power can be dialed up anytime, but the current settings make
for a nicely street-able vehicle. That is my toy car.
My 1995 Accord is also pretty lightweight compared to most sedans made
today, iirc. I forget exactly what it comes in at.
You betcha! I lost a lot of auto tools I had in the back,too.Some were Xmas
gifts from my partents.
It's too easy to steal Hondas from that era.
I had rerouted the hood release cable to inside the engine compartment,made
a shield for the hood latch itself,and had the parts ready to install a
secret fuel cutoff switch,but hadn't got to it yet.
that would have stopped them.... :-(
It took them less than 60 sec to steal it,despite the alarm I had
installed.I still can't believe they got it started so fast;I threw my
shorts on,grabbed my gun and was out the door in less than a minute,and the
car was already thru the security gate and out of sight down the road.
I could still hear the alarm wailing.
Police were F-ing USELESS. So were the security gates.
I need to do something like the fuel cut-off switch on my '91 Miata. The
blue book value is only a couple of grand, but it would cost me many
times that amount to duplicate it as it sits now.
Yeah, maybe get the parts for that today. Miatas are not a highly
sought-after car for parts, but joy-riders are always a possibility, and
the wheels and intercooler could attract attention from knowledgeable
I could stand to do the same to my '94 Accord, it is easy to steal as
you said. Neither car has any anti-theft protection beyond the ignition
switch, and I don't even lock the Miata, as a slashed top is more
expensive to replace than anything inside the car.
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