all 12? and both [as in TWO] fatal crash vehicles were operated by drivers apparently incapable of using brakes, ignition switch and neutral transmission that would have prevented anything other than inconvenience of having to pull over to the side of the road.
frod sell /more/ - MANY more vehicles with faulty throttles. wtf is the outrage over that? same with bmw.
yeah - our elected "representatives" that are accepting the detroit [translation: foreign importer] dollar ahead of domestically [toyota] produced vehicles.
Jim Yanik wrote in news:Xns9D15EF00234FAjyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44:
There's something to that, too. Now that this is in the news, incidents will spike simply because now EVERYTHING will be blamed on stuck pedals until proven otherwise.
I don't think so. I suddenly was passing 2 or three on my way to work every day & they weren't just Fords. Toyota 4 runners, Nissan Pathfinders, you name it. It was suddenly, locally, just like the Simpsons episode (gentle sweeping curve and all the SUVs on the road fell over and exploded). I have little doubt what was going on.
I would redirect your attention to the overblown Explorer fiasco. Seems like there were quite a few up in arms about that. Could it possibly be that of the 28% of SUA incidents you attribute to Ford that only a miniscule part were mechanical failures? Just asking. What I have noticed is this - there is a certain fraction of the population (any population) that is overjoyed to see one of the "Big Dogs" get whipped. I would bet that there was a similar reaction to Ford's problems, to GM's misfortunes, and if Ferrari or Rolls-Royce suffered a similar disaster, there would be a collection of "experts" that would be delighted and would go out of their way to denigrate the marque.....I guess its just human nature to rejoice when the high and mighty are fallen. DaveD
overblown??? not only did frod do their classic "it's cheaper to pay settlements to the families of the bereaved than do a recall" math, they knew that vehicle to be fatally flawed before they even brought it to market. and to top even that sociopathy, they spent hundreds of millions pitching the ridiculous concept that cabin collapse and subsequent crushing of occupants was caused by tire failure!!!
no dude, the exploder fiasco was very much underblown. hundreds died and frod execs should be in jail - it was nothing less than manslaughter. political complicity covered frod's ass, just as it's trying to f*ck toyota's now.
Geeze, you drove a Prius for a whole summer without any braking problems, and that proves it is great automobile.
Ok/
I have driven A WHOLE BUNCH OF GM CARS FOR OVER 34 YEARS with 'no glitches, flaws or mistakes in performance anywhere".
I would recomend any of them for driveability, as well.
Of course, my 34 years of GM dont count for much, because you drove a TOYOTA FOR A WHOLE SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that makes you an expert on the reliablity on Toyota products.
And, I guess, I need to own GM products for another 34 years before I begin to know anything about them.
You really sound stupid when you try to say the couple of miles you drove this car proves it is better than a brand that someone else has driven for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Without sludge problems.
Or accelerator sticking problems.
Or rusting problems.
Or breaking problems.
Of course, none of the above problems really exist on Toyotas.
You know that because you drove a Prius for a summer.
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"They are being set up."
I argued GM was being unfairly slammed for many years.
Your turn to argue Toyota is being done the same way.
I would wish you good luck in your crusade to prove they ain/t being done the same way, but I dont want to be a liar.
I hope they have to recall another 20,000,000 vehicles, and listen to the likes of you try to defend it.
what about the hundreds of frods and bmw's with throttle problems? why is the whitehouse not announcing investigations into those given that they outnumber toyota "problems" >100:1?
that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete.
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vw outsells gm globally for cars.
gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap, small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other markets [but they don't make them here]. they have a real hard time selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they were so trying.
fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well in every market in the world. u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't wash..
well apparently you haven't bothered to check out the competition. and you haven't lifted the lid on quality either.
breaking? or braking?
the fundamental problem with your position is swallowing the red herring that there is a "problem" with toyota. if there's a "problem" with toyota, why are we not also hearing about the much more common problems with frod and bmw? their failures outnumber toyota's >100:1.
"the likes of me" know a little about engineering and q.c. why "the likes of you" buy unreliable, poor handling, gas guzzling cars for the same price as a better japanese vehicle defeats all logic.
if your argument is that of xenophobic flag flying, you will doubtless be disappointed to learn how underinformed you are: gm are the largest "outsourcers" of component manufacture in the industry - keeping gm alive gives jobs primarily to chinese component manufacturers, not american ones.
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