On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam wrote:
WOW! I AGREE WITH JIM BEAM!!! <thud!>
Well said. Add to that the public likes to see the Big Dog take a stumble.
If you want some real heartburn, watch how Brian Williams on NBC is going
after Toyota...er...full throttle.
Almost forgot about the 'staged' event that was made for the sole
purpose of hurting GM truck sales.
Just another example of the extremes the media would go to in order to
slam American nameplates.
However, sticking accelerators, sludging engines and rusting
suspension parts on Toyotas made over the past 6 or 7 years are very
but the media loves this crap. weepy victims on the news.
the media trotted out driver after driver claiming their cars were the
devil after having killed a family member.
in the end - all the drivers were at fault for pressing the throttle
instead of the brake.
I'm sure we'll hear from the idiot Sienna driver who is positive her
minivan crashed into another vehicle while she had her foot on the
brake. Just like all those Audi drivers from years ago.
"This is like deja vu all over again." - Yogi Berra
You mean, like the Japanese version of protectionism that, in 2008,
exported over 2 million vechicles to the US, while at the same time,
only allowing 12 thousand American nameplates to be imported
Or the type of protectionism that Japan displayed when they had their
own "cash for clunkers" program, but excluded the handful of American
nameplates that WERE sold there from the program???????
Sounds fair to me, I guess, if I were from Japan.
For over three decades, the media has lamblasted American autos for
everything from interior light bulbs burning out, to weather stripping
dry-rotting after 10 years. They hammered away repeatedly at the "lack
of American reliability until many, who did not check things out on
their own, began to believe them.
Now, the worm is beginning to turn, and there are those who believed
what the media said for thirty years, are accusing them of the same
things they did against American nameplates.
Maybe turn-a-bout IS fair play!
Kinda funny how it took about 20 MILLION Toyota recalls over the past
3 or 4 years before it became politically motivated, or a "hysterical
Hell , a good chunk of the MILLIONS of recalls happened well before it
became "chic' to knock Toyota.
The sludging engines, or rusting supensions were known well before the
US government began ownership in GM or Chysler, so there was nothing
to be gained by the US pressuring Toyota into making recalls. There
goes the 'conflict of interest" argument.
And BTW, if you believe Toyota has NOT been spending bundles of money
lobbying Washington, then YOU are more naive than you claim Toyota is.
Really, you didn't make a single factual statement at all in this
Matter of fact, just the opposite of what you stated is actually true.
So what? Maybe the Japs simply don't like our cars. Ever thought of that?
If WE won't buy them, why would THEY?
There's a reason Toyota has the market share they do, in spite of all the
hatred directed against them from certain quarters.
If that is the case, why not let the free market decide???????????????
If you are right, the Japanese would NOT buy US products.
But, of course, they MIGHT buy US if they HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SO IN
THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan.
If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy
from the USA, you might have a point.
But, being they are not allowed to so IN THE FIRST PLACE, you simply
make a moot point/
Why not give the Japanese the CHOICE TO REJECT US
Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do
that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other
markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete.
1. vw outsells gm globally for cars.
2. gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap,
small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other
markets [but they don't make them here]. they have a real hard time
selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they
were so trying.
fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well
in every market in the world. u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited
appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't
Might be true today. Tomorrow might be different.
The market is very fluid at this point, and who " out sells who"
changes almost monthly.
Fact of the matter is, wether they are second, first, or third in
total sales, GM sell MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, in markets where
they ARE ALLOWED TO COMPETE!!!!!!
I've said it a thousand times before, but here it goes again:
If you sell MILLIONS OF ANYTHING, it ain't junk.
Junk doesn't sell, not by the millions.
So, getting back to my original point, GM sell Millions of cars and
trucks world-wide, but only 12000 in Japan.
Sounds to me Japan is using very unfair trade practices, or
Yet, they cant build Buicks fast enough for China.
Selling 'em by the millions.
And they are hardly either, "non-domestic, nor cheap, small efficient
Fact is, you are wrong, once again. Any way you can objectively
compare US to Japan clearly shows American nameplates are as good as,
or better than, what Japan has to offer. Check the numbers.
As far as biased-typed comparisons, I guess you'll have to stick to
the likes of Consumer Reports or the mass media (but wait, they are
beginning to hammer at the Toyotas like they did Gm in the 80's and
I guess we'll have to go to newsgroups like this and listen to the
likes of you whine about how unfair the media is treating Japanese
Hell , even Jim Higgins has posted negative things about Toyotas
If that ain't a sigh they are in trouble, I don't know what is!
As does GM.
Don't forget, they haven't left the planet yet. They are still selling
millions of cars and trucks.
Actually, its pretty amazing how they still sell so many vehicles
considering the things they have had to over come in the past 30
Just more evidence they must make a pretty damned good product,
(Cross posting deleted, automatically)
His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota
has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world.
I remember reading the Mother Jones article on the exploding Pinto
problem. Ford fought for years to prevent the government from
implementing rear impact standards. When the standards finally
passed, the Pinto was the first car tested - and it passed!!! Ford
had added a $3 shield to prevent the bolts on the differential from
ripping open the fuel tank. Ford had paid millions in lobbying costs
and burned 500 customers to death to save $3 per car.
Ah, the good old days.
Who cares? Why is it so important that they buy our cars?
We've got lots of other stuff to sell Japan besides cars.
Canada last year, for instance, sold just a little more overall to Japan
than Japan did to Canada.
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