Diesel Liberty

I've heard the Liberty diesel, it's not quieter than a similar sized gas engine but it's a lot quieter than I expected, just a bit louder than say the Wrangler I-6. And of course it sounds like a diesel.

It's CARB, not EPA...EPA is pretty much wussified in the past five years...

I would have to be there to believe it.

We have the lowest grade of diesel that will actually burn in an engine here in Canada and the crap they puke out the tailpipes is totally noxious. There is 'No' way anyone with a convertible can follow any diesel on the trail. It would choke you out.

Same for getting stuck behind a bus or tractor trailer. Totally gagging gross if you get stuck behind them.

Mike

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And CARB is going to follow the EPA. Fuel is basically double what it was two years ago. People have lost the stomach for Nazi style regulations that make it more expensive to drive, block the development of more efficient transport, and don't seem to alleviate the smog problem. Not to mention a top heavy bureaucracy that exists to siphon public money into their own pockets.

Colorado is a good model for what will happen in California. We have smog in the Front Range, because of the wind patterns and the terrain, just like LA smog, but lighter. When you approach Denver from the north, you can see it, like a malevolent cancerous cloud. Yet pollution levels, as measured by Federal standards, have been acceptable for years. Anyone with a basic knowledge of politics knows how this works.

Earle

You need to go to Europe to see this. Standing inside the bus terminal, in Burgos, Spain, with three or four big diesel buses running, is like being outside on a sunny day in LA or Denver. I once saw a California tourist, get down on his hands and knees, to suck the exhaust smoke. He was that homesick. Even the trains don't smell so bad.

I think it's ironic that we have certain 'acceptable' level of pollutants which are federally mandated. As with manufacturers of certain products and even drugs, there is even a certain level of acceptable deaths associated. Personally, I don't think a pollution level higher than an egg fart in an elevator should be acceptable, but I guess that's a bit unrealistic. ;)

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Earle Hort> And CARB is going to follow the EPA. Fuel is basically double what it was

That link sends me to your admin page....

Mike

Earle Hort>

I live in Toronto. Not only do we have an insane amount of trucks and busses on the roads, we have a heavy layer of pollution from Your US great lakes industrial system covering us.

They have to post a warning in the paper every day for the level of activity. Today's level is 'moderate', 'mild exposure (to the air in downtown Toronto) can cause irritation' in 'healthy' people.

I was out in the lake fishing a few years back as the sun came up. We had a beautiful view of the city until about 8:30 AM. By then it was just a brown dome with 'no' buildings even slightly visible.

Mike

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Mike, Did you see the movie ' Men With Brooms" that came out a few years ago.

It was filmed in Canada, about Canadians, and one of the opening scenes is at a steel mill with smokestacks belching and in the foreground the dumping of red hot slag into piles on the ground....

It's a six cylinder, horizontal, diesel engine in the train museum in Madrid. It has cutouts so one can see how it works internally. They put them under the passenger cars, and they don't smell too bad, even standing next to a running one. Probably Mercedes design. No clue as to why you can't see the picture.

Earle

Wow! A VW on steroids. :-)

"Matt Macchiarolo" wrote : Can't say the same about my Ford, but they are two different kinds of : animal...

Ours too, stinking beast. But we have (on many ocasions) put two tons of materials in the back of it and hauled it on home

You're lucky you got that, you bag of wind! (diesel fumes)