OT wifey amazes me AGAIN

The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs. My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over and you are broke fast. I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind. I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.

Yeah it sucks when you total your back and all the stuff you used to do is now Verbotten. I'm probably going to rent a sled for a couple of days this winter and see how well I do on it. Heck it was snowing a little bit here all day but mixed with rain. It's going to be a snowmobile winter!

theyre amazing in the mud, but i wouldnt buy one on that alone. the rhino was pretty impressive in the mud as well. probably not quite as much as the

Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling. How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.

So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it requires slippage in order to activate.

Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho. That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a road for you to drive down. :)

Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it. It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side" Comparo.

Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)

Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.

The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.

The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.

Mike

no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.

when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.

in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise explanation, see

thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.

well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9 months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).

depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money goes on the rhino across the board.

It's got a outboard motor mount just lift it :-) I use an electric motor to cross the lake, works perfect.

If you ever make it around here I'll gladly take ya for a spin. All it took was one test drive at the dealer to sell me. Like I said somewhere I was looking to buy a Quad He did have one heck of a testing ground though.

No but in the bush you just can't go that fast, in anything. On a trail, well that's a different story

No I said "at" the camp, We are lucky enough to have around 1000 acres of rough bush land filled with swamps, small lakes, beaver ponds, streams and ridges. And just only three hunters (to date).

Argo says 30 degrees

Not really, priced about the same as any atv. One thing I really like about it, is (here in Ontario Canada anyway) that it does not need a license plate or insurance by law, no helmet also. I do have liability and fire/theft on it just in case. but it's pretty cheap compared to my Ski Doo for example. (Snowmobiling is going to be insured out of existence eventually. A lot of insurance companies dropped sleds all together)

Too bad about Cats only. I haven't ridden one yet, but them new Ski Doo Revs apparently are the greatest thing since.....well .....you know :-) But that's a toy that's going to have to wait, my 99MXZ will have to do for now Hey got 10,000km on it so far, Can't wait for snow :-)

Techically it is a form of limited slip. Even in my Subaru the instant the front slips the back engages it's really quick but still LSD even tho it doesn't have the LSD for the sides which is very similar sounding to the Polaris. To my mind a system is locked if you engage it and it's locked turning all 4 wheels at the same tiime with no slippage. AWD is not a bad thing in fact it's usually pretty good.

Sweet! I was wondering how it would compare to a Quad.

Yes, typically, but it also applies to front and reer if you own and AWD car. I forget how fast my Scooby can lock up the back but it's in milliseconds. Plus I also have a rear LSD on the rear wheels so I have

Thanks, that's what I was wondering. Still I'll be interested to see how well it performs over time. Funny how no one in the ATV group is asking about it.

Maybe they are Metric pounds? LOL! The Brits don't have much they tow that is that much weight. I've been over there many times and they don't seem to tow like we do here. I thoughtthe difference was due to the automatic tranny?

Around this area we have endless amounts of Mud. We even had that sandy mud that would suck the boots right off your feet no matter how tight they were tied. Man, that stuff was awful! The guys in the Jeeps loved it! That stuff stuck like nothing else. It was almost impossible to wash it off the first time. Now that area is all new houses. Be interesting to really see how well the Rhino does compared to teh Quads and the 6x6 Ranger.

Nope, I curently have a Subaru WRX and it's rated for 1,000 lbs. A Manual Jeep would be 2,000 lbs. tho.

ok, im following your logic and reason there.

there is no comparison in terms of steering really. the gear reduction makes it very easy.

it is. and the 6x6 version pushes a bit when you try to corner (obviously). its not "hard" to steer it, but the turning radius is significant more than on the 4x4 version.

sweet! what part? i still plan on making it to montana, but for now ill take rapid city just to make it out of north carolina.

you and me both!

alt.atv? look in the archives. the rhino has been discussed at length in there. course, it was all speculation and guessing at that point since the entire project was still in R & D. mine was supposedly the first one sold in north carolina (according to my local dealer). seems the wifey had been waiting on the phone call for when it was delivered and she watched them assemble the last few pieces of it before bringing it home.

thats in the cherokee in north america. the difference in north american jeeps and european jeeps is that here we have attorneys that wait for an excuse to file a lawsuit. :-(

Yeah you wouldn't need much speed, an electric should be fine.

I'm in New England so Ontario is a few hours away. But thanks for the offer. If I go up that way I'll give you a yell. My last time at the border was no fun at all. They held me for 2 hours because I was single guy travelling alone. So Canada hasn't seen any of my money in quite a while. I used to go up for a couple of days every 2 months or so. But no more not with the attitude they have at the border. I scared the Jeep salesman at thedealership when they let me test out a new Jeep on their back lot. This is back about 10 years ago. Hey we got airborne only twice! That's what you get for having a MotoCross track in your back lot. :)

Oh yeah if you are blazing your own trail you want to do it slowly.

So you all go up in the Argo together? Sounds like nice country up there.

That's pretty steep. I've been up steeper ones but the guy driving was big into offroad and worked a Dozer for a living. He said somethng about if you aren't seeing the sky the hill isn't high enough. I saw the way he drove at work and they would go back and forth on inclines that would tip over most vehicles that tried to go straight up. Take Big Brass ones to do that stuff.

I thought they were about $8-9,000 USD? Here we need insurance on everything and registrations as well. The snowmobiles are getting killed wth no insurance. I guess many won't insure anything over 600cc's. Insurance companies are bastards anyway.

That's all I have seen around here at least they are only a year or so old. The dealers know it's togh to sell snowmobiles without snow. We saw some snow and rain mix today so it will probably be a white winter. I'd love to try a Rev 1. Maybe someone will have them for rent this year?

Yeah like I said it's not a bad thing, it just has to be a thing you want. Me, when I want them locked I want them locked. LSD's have advantages tho esp when going fast.

Well it is a bit larger too and weighs in at almost 400 lbs. more. But you do have a roll cage with it. Just have to hope your arm doesn't fall outside if it rolls on it's side.

Well, that's to be expected. The skid steer on the Argo's allows them to rotate on their own axis. Of course they are still pretty big.

I'm still looking at prices right now. I have to go overseas for a month and when I get back I can start making plans. I have a good option to move up to New Hampshire. But not a lot of land. In Montana I can buy 400 acres or so. Montana seems to be very snowmobile and ATV friendly. I'd love to buy one of those tracked vehicles they made in Canada for a show on TLC. The thing was a massive single seater with tread and bogey wheel suspension. Something like that really trips my trigger Plus it did a 45 degree incline on loose rocks and tiles. 2-3 feet of water etc... Big Chevy V8 in it. I don't think it was skid steer as it cornered nicely. But anyway I looked in the Black Hills of SD but the prices were way up there. i don't mind being out in the boonies, long as the land is cheap and the neighbors friendly.

Yeah but now that it's out there is more chatter in here about in than in there. Still it has to perform and it's still very new. With time it should get pretty well known. Your wife is really good to you, a real keeper!

Now we have to have cofee cups that say WARNING!!! COFFEE IS HOT!!! I've been to countries where no one gives a s*it about lawyers and accidents are just dealt with unless there is a death or extreme injury. But small stuff people just say screw it and drive away. The Bahamas are like that the Predator Pool is maybe 15 feet away from teh regular Pool through a short section of small trees and bushes. No fence, nothing, anywhwere you walk around there. Nothing stops you from walking in and swimming where there are Class 3 Predators! Class 3 eats humans. Funny how no one swan in there but in America kids would say they have the right to swin there, then get all chewed up and sue the hotel because there was no fence. Yeah outside the country if you do something stupid people will just stare at you and think what a dumbass.

ditto!

definately....if for nothing else than her ability to put up with me. :-)

ha.......nah, feb 20......but TIA bill!

Those are the best kind! :)