Morph's depressed.

If it were me I'd be doing the usual stuff like checking valve guides, changing the stem seals (not that everyone fits them on V8's) and an oil change..... and have a good long look at the camshaft and tappets.

Richard

During stardate Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:18:30 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd uttered the imortal words:

Ok...

Cams - is there any sure fire way of checking these. To a naked eye inspection the Cam looked ok.... but then again what exactly am I looking for?

Also I understand the timing cover may be differenton 101's but could be wrong. Are there gaskets easily available or am I likely to create a problem trying to solve one that may not exist.

As for the valve guides how do I check these? Is it a wiggle thing? I'll probably whip it all down to the local engineers to be done. It's got to go anyway for a number of threads for the exhaust manifold to be sorted (helicoil probably) and also a stud which needs removing and no doubt similar treatment.

If I can send the heads with the bits to be done that would be peachy.

Are 101 Valves any different? I'll need one exhaust valve at least.

so far I know I'm going to need ;

1. composite valley gasket.
2. Them there rubber seals that go either end of the valley gasket.
3. exhaust valve x1 (maybe more tomorrow once I get the other head off but doubt it as the compression test seemed ok)
4. Head gaskets. (Do you need any numbers for the right ones? Notches or stuff like that??)
5. s shaped hose from the water pump to the inlet manifold.
6. Set of valve guides (in for a penny!)
7. Stem oil seals ??? (why don't some fit them? Discuss.... :0) )
8. Do I need new head bolts???
9. Large pot of ready mixed luck.

Lee D

-- "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

During stardate Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:40:53 +0100, Lee_D uttered the imortal words:

1. Exhaust manifold gaskets...

I'll think of summat else in a min when I click send...

-- "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

Can you not buy a head gasket set which will come with all the gaskets you need along with the ones you always forget about?

On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:35:35 +0100, Lee_D enlightened us thusly:

"why didn't you go before we set off?"

"I didn't want it then..."

On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:44:59 +0100, Lee_D enlightened us thusly:

not fitted to most of 'em... seriously...

but you can fit 'em if you want.

During stardate Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:09:45 +0100, Tom Woods uttered the imortal words:

Usually yes, but this is a 101 so I'm not counting on anything being "normal".

Lee D

-- "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

During stardate Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:41:01 +0100, Austin Shackles uttered the imortal words:

There is a school of thought in the Yahoo 101 Group that the reason many of the LH exhaust manifolds fracture is because of poor casting and the lack of an insulator between the Ally and the Cast.

Given the manifolds are rare as rocking horse droppings I'll fit them and risk it. But you are right , It's didn't have any.

Lee D

-- "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

I thought that the engines were normal? (its just the owners who arnt...)

You can come round and do the water pump on mine when youre done if you like!

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:36:05 +0100, Austin Shackles scribbled the following nonsense:

All join in

"stop the bus I want a wee wee...stop the bus I want a wee wee...stop the bus I want a wee wee...stop the bus I want a wee wee...stop the bus I want a wee wee..."

Daaad.... my brother's just thrown up all over me....

Realistically you won't know about the valves until someone's had a go at refacing them. If it were me doing the job I'd replace all the exhaust valves - once they're refaced the margin on them often gets pretty narrow which increases the chances of burning a valve in future. And it's not like they are an expensive item either.

Trying to catch up a bit....

The 101 V8 is to all intents and purposes the same as early Range Rover/ Stage I V8.

There is a head set - but not with the composite gaskets.

Exhaust valves are the same as all carb V8's (and earlier Efi's).

Manifold gaskets - the purpose of of the gaskets is, in addition to being gas-tight, to allow for any irregularities in the mating surfaces, that's why the V8 ones are that funny "crushable" material. The designers didn't select the material out of a lucky dip box!

Richard

During stardate Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:34:48 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd uttered the imortal words:

Ok Richard, here is my shopping list.

1. composite valley gasket.

1. Them there rubber seals that go either end of the valley gasket. (101 Parts manual lists GEG645 2 off)

2. exhaust valve, 1 off ,101 part number 602165 (just incase it's a odd'un)
3. Head gaskets Pair. (Do you need any numbers for the right ones? Notches or stuff like that??)

1. s shaped hose from the water pump to the inlet manifold. 101 parts no 614435 (thermostat bypass hose)

2. Set of valve guides (in for a penny!), 101 parts number 603554 , 16 off

1. Do I need new head bolts???

2. Exhaust manifold gaskets pretty standard stuff.

1. Pair of rocket cover gaskets (101 parts number GEG436)

2. Exhaust manifold locking tabs , 8 off, 101 parts number 90613659

1. Exhuast manifold bolts, 4 off, 101 parts number lists as 253048 (3/8" UNC x11/8")

Can you fix me up with these?

Lee D

-- "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

No problem.

No problem - mow 602099

No problem

No other info required - no problem

No problem

No problem

Not unless the old ones are damaged.

No problem

Superceeds to 602512 - no problem

Superceeds to ERC7321 - no problem

Superceeds to SH506095L - no problem

Certainly!

Richard

During stardate Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:34:15 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd uttered the imortal words:

Smashing. ASAP is cool, I will get the heads cleaned up over the weekend then hope to drop them off at a machine shop next week if I can get the bits soon enough.

Half term so I'll be entertaining the kids and Mrs D and trying to resist all landrover jobs for a week at least. That would work in nice with the refurb work then... thats plans a anyway :0)

Lee D

-- "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:34:48 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd enlightened us thusly:

doesn't explain why they mostly didn't have them when new.

They did - or were s'posed to, but weren't fitted very often, as the army thought it was alright to wait for the engine (and exhaust manifold) to heat up and meet!

On a 101 it is common for the manifolds to be untrue (I have one pair of true, which I had machined). The easiest way to ensure a fit is to use the gaskets - bugger though they are to fit on a 101.

I also have an old (now u/s) manifold which demonstrates just how bad the casting can be - i.e. nearly 1/4inch out on 3rd.

One of these days all of your plans are going to come to fruit Austin.

So, that'll be a 6 wheel drive 201" minibus with a seriously stretched Sherpa body and a 5l inline-8 diesel engine then?

P.