I know enough, thanks.
And I'd still go with tyres brakes etc that are at the top end for the car, not 'just good enough'.
Because I drive to the limits too, sometimes. And so does everybody.
If you choose to drive faster then your risk goes up, obviously. But you can't drive slower enough to make the budget tyres 'just as good' when you need them.
/me winds up the slap /me lets it go
That was AWFUL Paul.
Cheers Dan.
The message from "Clive George" contains these words:
I've had two in the last 200,000 miles.
Both times I was shunted up the arse while stationary - once on a roundabout where everything stopped 'cos someone cut up a coach but the Transit behind was busy looking right and accelerating. The other was at a tee-junction where I stopped before pulling out because there was traffic on the 60mph road I was joining. The bloke in the car behind was watching the same car I was watching instead of watching me.
In hindsight, I could probably have avoided both accidents by better rear observation but I'd have had to take evasive action after having been stopped for a few seconds in both cases.
What's /really/ galling is that since it was all on company car insurance or the wife's insurance I've only got three years' no claims bonus!
That's not how it works. If you know you've got better tyres you'll put yourself in the position of needing to use them more times than if you don't trust them (insanely crap ones excepted). People deny this, but it's true - the denial is an important part of risk compensation.
The end result is that despite your scenario where the bad tyres lose, overall you don't actually gain safety - for every miss you have through having the best tyres, you get a hit from more aggressive driving. Sure you miss that one cyclist - but you hit others where the other driver wouldn't have.
clive
That's nearly the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. So if it's safer to run on crappy tyres why do car manufacturers spend so much on the OE fit ones?
And he hits things you wouldn't have, because he hasn't got the grip when he needs it. It's far too complex a situation for glib equivalences.
As was said earlier, most cars drive well within the limits of *any* legal tyres most of the time. Even when driven fast by an experienced driver.
If you want a stupidly simplistic statement, how about *a well maintained high performance car with top quality tyres and brakes and an experienced driver can go significantly faster than an old banger with budget tyres and borderline brakes with an unskilled driver with no increase in risk*?
You will no doubt disagree. I don't. Let's agree to disagree. It's all moveable thresholds anyway.
Blimey, that's a pretty thorough misunderstanding of what I've written.
Would you change your driving style if you had a set of cheapies fitted?
clive
Just do a google for tyre (or tire) tests.
Apart from the Couriers , how many budget tyres have you driven on?
I am sure in
And that is the main reason that people buy premium priced tyres, they assume that they must be better because the company making them spend loads on advertising them as being the best tyres money can buy. I doubt if you have ever seen an advert for Toyo Proxies , yet a lot of people rate them because their friends have used them and find they grip better than most "recognised makes" .
You can't make a judgement on all budgets based on one brand, some budgets are lethal in the wet but not all.
Neither do Volkswagen :
I've just moved from an S60 ("sports" saloon, 225 bhp, 205 section tyres, low c/g) to an A class (small hatch, 90bhp, 185 section tyres, dislike for elks) - my driving style has changed accordingly, and I will still put quality tyres on, not just for safety but for longevity reasons.
I don't consider the tests I have seen to be truly independent. The ones I have seen do not "*often* have cheaper tyres out performing more expensive and better known tyres."
Enough to know they are not for me on the grounds of safety alone. When I started driving I sometimes only had the money for crossply remoulds!
I would recognise Toyo as a make.
I can accept that, but don't have the time or money to "suck it and see". IME if you buy something from a mainstream maker you are pretty sure of getting decent grip.
Chris
Fred
The message from "Tim S Kemp" contains these words:
Because people expect posh tyres on a new car. Marketing, innit.
Bollocks.
I've only bought one set of Pirelli brand tyres. They were made in Brazil, and their grip was atrocious. The experience has put me off the brand for ever.
I tend to buy known European tyre brands, both because my experience with them has been generally very good, and because I think they've got more to lose from a tarnished reputation.
John
The message from "Fred"
You can spin any tyre in the wet or dry with a Carlton of any sort. Biggest pile of s**te I ever bought.
Have you thought of trying it on Tarmac.
SteveH ( snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Cheap tyres are a false economy if you're lucky. If you're unlucky, they'll kill you or somebody else.
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